What you're missing is that noise reduction costs more detail than noise does.
-Adam Tom C wrote: > I'm not arguing that though. :-) > > To me noise and loss of detail wind up being essentially two kinds of the > same thing, loss of resolution and clarity. > > Tom C. > > >> From: "Perry Pellechia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:31:57 -0500 >> >> Pentax could have made iso 1600 "cleaner" by imposing more aggressive >> noise reduction. However, that would have been at the expense of >> detail and I think they make the correct choice. >> >> On 12/21/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I won't argue that 1st point... I was objecting to the statement that >> Pentax >>> "decided not to obliterate all the noise and allow some character to >> show". >>> I'm sure they wanted it as noise-free as possible. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> >>>> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk >>>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:43:52 -0500 >>>> >>>> But you're going to have noise at 1600 regardless. So if you can make >>>> it look more like grain than noise, it's a plus. However, that being >>>> said, the K10 is no noisier at 1600 than the D, but the look is a bit >>>> nicer. Quite an achievement, I'd say. >>>> Paul >>>> On Dec 21, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Tom C wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes very nice to leave crap lying around in the image... Thanks >>>>> Pentax, >>>>> you're managing to reverse 100 years of technology advancements in >>>>> the field >>>>> of photography. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Grain has never been the overwhelming desire in the manufacture of >>>>> film or >>>>> printing of images except in those relatively rare cases where it's >>>>> used to >>>>> an artistic advantage. Other than that it's reduction has been the >>>>> holy >>>>> grail. >>>>> >>>>> Come on Shel... >>>>> >>>>> Tom C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: RE: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk >>>>>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:36:33 -0800 >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, almost forgot .... I really like the grain on this one. Very >>>>>> nice the >>>>>> way Pentax has decided not to obliterate all the noise and allow >> some >>>>>> character to show in the images. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> [Original Message] >>>>>>> From: Paul Stenquist >>>>>>> K10D, DA 50-200 at 200mm. I set my K10D at f6.3, 1/200th. Put the >>>>>>> camera in TAV mode and let it select the sensitivity. This shot >>>>>>> came in >>>>>>> at ISO 1600. Converted to BW in the channel mixture. I like this >>>>>>> shooting mode. Would not have wanted to think about ISO when I >>>>>>> pulled >>>>>>> the trigger on this. But knew what kind of shutter speed and >>>>>>> aperture I >>>>>>> wanted. Just an average shot of someone on the street, but a good >>>>>>> experiment in regard to how I want to work with this camera in >> these >>>>>>> kinds of situations. >>>>>>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358043 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> -- >> <----------------------------------------------------> >> Perry Pellechia >> >> Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry >> <----------------------------------------------------> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
