I'm not arguing that though. :-) To me noise and loss of detail wind up being essentially two kinds of the same thing, loss of resolution and clarity.
Tom C. >From: "Perry Pellechia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:31:57 -0500 > >Pentax could have made iso 1600 "cleaner" by imposing more aggressive >noise reduction. However, that would have been at the expense of >detail and I think they make the correct choice. > >On 12/21/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I won't argue that 1st point... I was objecting to the statement that >Pentax > > "decided not to obliterate all the noise and allow some character to >show". > > > > I'm sure they wanted it as noise-free as possible. > > > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > >From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > > >Subject: Re: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk > > >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:43:52 -0500 > > > > > >But you're going to have noise at 1600 regardless. So if you can make > > >it look more like grain than noise, it's a plus. However, that being > > >said, the K10 is no noisier at 1600 than the D, but the look is a bit > > >nicer. Quite an achievement, I'd say. > > >Paul > > >On Dec 21, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Tom C wrote: > > > > > > > Yes very nice to leave crap lying around in the image... Thanks > > > > Pentax, > > > > you're managing to reverse 100 years of technology advancements in > > > > the field > > > > of photography. :-) > > > > > > > > Grain has never been the overwhelming desire in the manufacture of > > > > film or > > > > printing of images except in those relatively rare cases where it's > > > > used to > > > > an artistic advantage. Other than that it's reduction has been the > > > > holy > > > > grail. > > > > > > > > Come on Shel... > > > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > > > >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> > > > >> Subject: RE: PESO; A smoke on the sidewalk > > > >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:36:33 -0800 > > > >> > > > >> Oh, almost forgot .... I really like the grain on this one. Very > > > >> nice the > > > >> way Pentax has decided not to obliterate all the noise and allow >some > > > >> character to show in the images. > > > >> > > > >> Shel > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> [Original Message] > > > >>> From: Paul Stenquist > > > >> > > > >>> K10D, DA 50-200 at 200mm. I set my K10D at f6.3, 1/200th. Put the > > > >>> camera in TAV mode and let it select the sensitivity. This shot > > > >>> came in > > > >>> at ISO 1600. Converted to BW in the channel mixture. I like this > > > >>> shooting mode. Would not have wanted to think about ISO when I > > > >>> pulled > > > >>> the trigger on this. But knew what kind of shutter speed and > > > >>> aperture I > > > >>> wanted. Just an average shot of someone on the street, but a good > > > >>> experiment in regard to how I want to work with this camera in >these > > > >>> kinds of situations. > > > >>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5358043 > > > >>> > > > >>> Paul > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > >-- > > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >[email protected] > > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > >-- ><----------------------------------------------------> >Perry Pellechia > >Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry ><----------------------------------------------------> > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >[email protected] >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
