Rape, incest, torture, and cannibalism are nothing? Sorry, but the view of the 
native American world as idyllic is the stuff of storybooks.
Paul

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well, maybe not explicitly, no. But "idyllic" is what
> most tribes would consider their existance prior to
> arrival of whites. They may have had their internal
> struggles but it was nothing compared to the onslaught
> of white aggression.
> 
> It just seemed like that was where that notion was
> heading. If not, my bad.
> 
> ;-]
> 
> -Brendan
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > No one suggested anything of the kind. My original
> > post was in response to a suggestion that life in
> > North America was idyllic before the arrival of
> > Europeans.
> > Paul
> >  -------------- Original message
> > ----------------------
> > From: Brendan MacRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 
> > > --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: PESO -
> > American
> > > > Fence
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > But the New York Times is probably the most
> > > > liberal daily newspaper in
> > > > > the U.S. They always take the side of the
> > > > oppressed minority if they
> > > > > can. On the other hand, they don't ignore
> > > > inconvenient facts.
> > > > > Considering the source I wouldn't call this
> > > > "history rewritten by the
> > > > > victors." The article about the violent
> > cultures
> > > > of the native
> > > > > Americans appeared in the science section. In
> > > > truth, it's history
> > > > > rewritten by archaeologists.
> > > > 
> > > > My father was a student of local history. His
> > take
> > > > on pre-European life in 
> > > > North America pretty much jives with what you
> > are
> > > > saying. His take on 
> > > > post-European life from the Aboriginal point of
> > view
> > > > was that the vilence 
> > > > shifted from internal to external and they
> > really
> > > > weren't any better off for 
> > > > the European invasion.
> > > > 
> > > > William Robb 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > While slavery, copious killing, rape and virtually
> > > every other form of barbarism was prevelant among
> > the
> > > tribes of North America, it was still the
> > intrusion of
> > > Europeans which caused their near total
> > extinction. To
> > > suggest that they themselves were at times brutual
> > > toward one another is no defense for their
> > wholesale
> > > slaughter at the hands of whites.
> > > 
> > > -Brendan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > >
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