Huh, interesting. I hadn't heard that before. But, as I said, it still doesn't color my overall view of Native American societies.
-Brendan --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a theory that Mohawk is derived either from > the Narraganset word > for man-eater or the Unami term that translates as > cannibal-monsters. > Whether it was due to their warlike nature or actual > eating of human > flesh it could account for stories of cannibalism. > There were also > stories of ritual cannibalism among the Aztec, > however what's known or > suspected of South and Central American Native > Civilizations gets > revised, sometimes radically from time to time. > > Brendan MacRae wrote: > > Not sure about incest and cannibalism. I've never > > heard of these things being prevalent. > > > > In any event, my point is that, in this sense, > idyllic > > is relative. I never said that the New World was a > > peaceful paradise prior to the arrival of whites. > My > > view is that they were better off no matter what > was > > going on prior to colonization. And any harping > about > > what WAS going on is an attempt (in my view) to > > denegrate their prehistory. A way leveling the > playing > > field by saying they were no better than anyone > else. > > Why else bring it up? > > > > That their "true" history is not the "stuff of > > storybooks" means nothing to me. I don't believe > in > > storybooks, only what I've studied and read about. > And > > believing that they had a remarkable society is > not > > simply buying into fairytales. It comes from > > understanding history. > > > > -Brendan > > > > > > > > -Brendan > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> Rape, incest, torture, and cannibalism are > nothing? > >> Sorry, but the view of the native American world > as > >> idyllic is the stuff of storybooks. > >> Paul > >> > >> -------------- Original message > >> ---------------------- > >> From: Brendan MacRae > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>> Well, maybe not explicitly, no. But "idyllic" is > >>> > >> what > >> > >>> most tribes would consider their existance prior > >>> > >> to > >> > >>> arrival of whites. They may have had their > >>> > >> internal > >> > >>> struggles but it was nothing compared to the > >>> > >> onslaught > >> > >>> of white aggression. > >>> > >>> It just seemed like that was where that notion > was > >>> heading. If not, my bad. > >>> > >>> ;-] > >>> > >>> -Brendan > >>> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> No one suggested anything of the kind. My > >>>> > >> original > >> > >>>> post was in response to a suggestion that life > >>>> > >> in > >> > >>>> North America was idyllic before the arrival of > >>>> Europeans. > >>>> Paul > >>>> -------------- Original message > >>>> ---------------------- > >>>> From: Brendan MacRae > >>>> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>>>> --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: PESO - > >>>>>> > >>>> American > >>>> > >>>>>> Fence > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> But the New York Times is probably the > >>>>>>> > >> most > >> > >>>>>> liberal daily newspaper in > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> the U.S. They always take the side of the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> oppressed minority if they > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> can. On the other hand, they don't ignore > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> inconvenient facts. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Considering the source I wouldn't call > >>>>>>> > >> this > >> > >>>>>> "history rewritten by the > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> victors." The article about the violent > >>>>>>> > >>>> cultures > >>>> > >>>>>> of the native > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Americans appeared in the science section. > >>>>>>> > >> In > >> > >>>>>> truth, it's history > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> rewritten by archaeologists. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> My father was a student of local history. > >>>>>> > >> His > >> > >>>> take > >>>> > >>>>>> on pre-European life in > >>>>>> North America pretty much jives with what > >>>>>> > >> you > >> > >>>> are > >>>> > >>>>>> saying. His take on > >>>>>> post-European life from the Aboriginal point > >>>>>> > >> of > >> > >>>> view > >>>> > >>>>>> was that the vilence > >>>>>> shifted from internal to external and they > >>>>>> > >>>> really > >>>> > >>>>>> weren't any better off for > >>>>>> the European invasion. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> William Robb > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> While slavery, copious killing, rape and > >>>>> > >> virtually > >> > >>>>> every other form of barbarism was prevelant > >>>>> > >> among > >> > >>>> the > >>>> > >>>>> tribes of North America, it was still the > >>>>> > >>>> intrusion of > >>>> > >>>>> Europeans which caused their near total > >>>>> > >>>> extinction. To > >>>> > >>>>> suggest that they themselves were at times > >>>>> > >> brutual > >> > >>>>> toward one another is no defense for their > >>>>> > >>>> wholesale > >>>> > >>>>> slaughter at the hands of whites. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Brendan > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > > >>>>> ____ > >>>>> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > >>>>> > >>>> www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. > >>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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