>From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Yes and no. Even using a given third-party lens, you (or someone else) 
>could
>argue that lens vary sample to sample, so the resulting quality assessment
>is debatable at best.
>Then, provided that DPReview is using comparable lenses (which they do), I
>don't find useless to know what quality I can get once I enter a given
>camera system (which to some extent means a camera and its genuine lens,
>doesn't it?).
>

Yes, I don't recall reading any reviews of film camera bodies that were 
universally tested using the same 3rd party lenses.  How did we ever get by 
before the internet? :-)

How many users of a K10D, Sony Alpha, Canon whatever, or Nikon D80 are going 
to acquire the same 3rd party lens used by the theoretical tests we're 
discussing?

I agree, most users are buying into a camera system, not just the camera 
body. Therefore doing tests with a commonly used lens within each camera 
system provides legitimate, if not perfect results, for a large number of 
readers.


>Furthermore, I think that many prospect users are not so interested in a
>sensor test. They are interested in camera performance. For those wanting 
>to
>shoot RAW exclusively - and provided that DPReview or someone else would 
>ony
>test RAW performance - you could look at the Nikon D80 or Sony Alpha 100
>test for knowing what to expect from the K10D.
>
>Even worse: which converter of choice for testing RAW files? Which release?
>Isn't that changing on an almost daily basis? How to get comparable 
>results?
>Then, isn't it possible that a given converter or a given conversion (or a
>given tester!) would be biased toward a camera, or sensor, or whatever? I'm
>truly afraid that your suggested test procedure will result being far more
>debatable than testing a camera JPEG performance, which at least can be
>rather associated to a given camera.
>
>Dario

All good and valid points.

Tom C.



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