Exactly. I frequently run into situations where making very sophisticated edits to extremely large and complex files would have been impossible in any other editor (especially the practially useless vi). Emacs rules. I have a large library of Lisp emacs extensions for dozens of special needs.
On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But it's extensible using LISP, how could that be bad? > > Adam Maas wrote: > > Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi > > while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing > > commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's > > lightweight and everything has it. > > > > I still :wq on a regular basis in just about every other editor/word > > processor. > > > > If you want punishment, use emacs. All the weight of Word, none of the > > Eye Candy. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >> You are a glutton for punishment... > >> > >> Adam Maas wrote: > >> > >>> I use vi > >>> > >>> -Adam > >>> Always the odd one out. > >>> > >>> > >>> Tom C wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use > >>>> WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? > >>>> > >>>> I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from where > >>>> Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success with > >>>> the > >>>> K10D. > >>>> > >>>> Your suppositions are probably correct. When I say done for, I'm not > >>>> predicting when... I'm saying that inevitable market forces will finally > >>>> take their toll, unless something changes quickly. > >>>> > >>>> Tom C. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) > >>>>> ? > >>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 > >>>>> > >>>>> Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being > >>>>> one now will make little difference. > >>>>> > >>>>> I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the next 6 > >>>>> months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony 12MP > >>>>> sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, perhaps with a higher > >>>>> framerate. I don't expect to see a Pentax body above the $1300 or so > >>>>> price point. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Adam > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom C wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> - 12 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> months though, I susect they are done for. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tom C. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: "pdml" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? > >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a "2nd tier > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> camera > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> company". The company hasn't released a truly professional system > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> camera > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end > >>>>>>> Pentax > >>>>>>> lens > >>>>>>> selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not > >>>>>>> provide > >>>>>>> the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> sporting > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> Etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Tom C wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>> From: "John Sessoms" > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> NDA) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an > >>>>>>>>>> over-priced Honda. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> William Robb > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, > >>>>>>>> perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more > >>>>>>>> than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, > >>>>>>>> Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. > >>>>>>>> If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd > >>>>>>>> tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their > >>>>>>>> camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tom C. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >>>>>>> follow the directions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >>>>> follow the directions. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Remember, it's pillage then burn. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
