Now I know I'm in the twilight zone... Gonz wrote: > Exactly. I frequently run into situations where making very > sophisticated edits to extremely large and complex files would have > been impossible in any other editor (especially the practially useless > vi). Emacs rules. I have a large library of Lisp emacs extensions > for dozens of special needs. > > > > On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But it's extensible using LISP, how could that be bad? >> >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >>> Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi >>> while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing >>> commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's >>> lightweight and everything has it. >>> >>> I still :wq on a regular basis in just about every other editor/word >>> processor. >>> >>> If you want punishment, use emacs. All the weight of Word, none of the >>> Eye Candy. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> P. J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You are a glutton for punishment... >>>> >>>> Adam Maas wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I use vi >>>>> >>>>> -Adam >>>>> Always the odd one out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use >>>>>> WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from where >>>>>> Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success with >>>>>> the >>>>>> K10D. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your suppositions are probably correct. When I say done for, I'm not >>>>>> predicting when... I'm saying that inevitable market forces will finally >>>>>> take their toll, unless something changes quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not being >>>>>>> one now will make little difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the next 6 >>>>>>> months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony 12MP >>>>>>> sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, perhaps with a higher >>>>>>> framerate. I don't expect to see a Pentax body above the $1300 or so >>>>>>> price point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the next 6 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> - 12 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> months though, I susect they are done for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: "pdml" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a "2nd tier >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> camera >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> company". The company hasn't released a truly professional system >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> camera >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end >>>>>>>>> Pentax >>>>>>>>> lens >>>>>>>>> selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does not >>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>> the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> sporting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the USA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Sessoms" >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> NDA) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an >>>>>>>>>>>> over-priced Honda. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> William Robb >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, >>>>>>>>>> perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more >>>>>>>>>> than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, >>>>>>>>>> Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. >>>>>>>>>> If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd >>>>>>>>>> tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their >>>>>>>>>> camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Remember, it's pillage then burn. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > >
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