frank theriault wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008 4:21 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The only way to achieve the goals that are supposedly needed are to >> effectively remove 3rd world industrialization while also massively >> reducing 1st world emissions. Effectively you'd need to shut down most >> of the global economy to prevent the earths climate returning to >> conditions similar to what they were 1000 years ago (The Medieval >> Optimum period) which was notably warmer than today. And even then the >> problem won't go away (Hint, no AGW on Mars and Venus, both of which >> have been warming up of late). >> >> Global Warming is a reality. So is Global Cooling. Anthrogenic Global >> Warming does not have sufficient data available to decide whether it's >> a real issue. Frankly, that requires a couple decades of data we don't >> have, as well as a good baseline on average global temperature that is >> also lacking as the earth is likely still recovering from the Little >> Ice Age that occurred beginning around 1200AD and so the temperature >> data used for a baseline is known to be historically untrustworthy. >> Also nobody has been able to come up with a climate model which >> regresses properly, so Climate Modelling is essentially useless in >> predicting the future. >> >> And it doesn't help that if Kyoto was implemented fully tomorrow it >> would have a near-immeasurable effect on global temperature (less than >> 1/10th of a degree Celsius by 2100) as CO2 is accountable for a very >> small part of the Greenhouse Effect (which is almost entirely caused >> by Water Vapour). Atmospheric CO2 is responsible for only 6-8% (I've >> seen varying numbers) of the Greenhouse Effect. And Human Emissions >> are only a relatively small part of that. >> >> There are far more important environmental issues to be spending money >> on than AGW and Kyoto. Particularly reductions in emissions of actual >> pollutants, tech transfer of cleaner designs and systems to the 3rd >> world to prevent them running into many of the pollution and toxic >> waste issues that the 1st world has experienced and found solutions >> for, cleaning up contaminated sites and watersheds, especially in the >> former Soviet countries and more.
> Well then, since the problem is insoluable, we should just keep living > the same lifestyles we are now, developing countries should continue > their march toward our decadence, and we should all just have a great > time as we the whole planet slides towards a grey, cloud covered > overheated Venus-like sauna. So YOU say. > I don't have a wealth of scientific knowledge, nor do I have all the > facts and figures (as if anyone does), but it seems to me that it > doesn't really matter whether global warming is man-made or "natural". No, it actually DOES. > It's happening, and we can try to do something about it, we can try > to slow it down, or we can live in blissful denial. If we choose the > latter, we better all think of moving away from the coasts! In fact, > we may have to do that anyway. It's not denial. It's recognition of the truth about *why* our globe warms in the first place, and also recognition that mere humans can do nothing about it! Dump the hubris, and accept that what is, is. > If efforts to stop global warming fail, we won't be worse off for it. > Maybe our last decades (or centuries or millenia or whatever) on this > planet will be a bit more enjoyable with less shit in the air and the > soil, with clean drinkable water, with beaches we can actually use. > > OTOH, if I'm lucky I've got maybe 30 years left on this planet, and > let's face it, whatever happens, we'll still be here in thirty years... Hah! I wish! And so do you. You don't know what will happen tomorrow! > ...so maybe I should just ride this out and let younger generations deal > with it. We've been doing that all along, and look how well that > works! The "younger generatioon" is anyone still alive tomorrow, Frank! > ;-) > > cheers, > frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
