The Chinese vote with their feet. Those in villages move to Shanghai, (or Hong Kong if they can), to get factory jobs. True the Government sometimes forces "peasants" off their lands, (but since the State owns all the lands it's not really the peasants anyway), but the vast majority came to the conclusion it's better to work in a factory for peanuts than to live on a subsistence farm for rice grains. There are mining/farming regions in the former Soviet Block where the people have actually been asked if they would prefer modern industry and jobs to living in bleak poverty. The answer is unsurprising to everyone except the Greens. Most "ecologists" are perfectly willing to condemn others to a lifestyle, "for their own good" to paraphrase, that they themselves would never willingly choose, as long as those others live far enough away. (That might only be a few blocks if you live in a gated community in California). There are interesting studies conducted on data collected by the US army in the First World War. It seems, contrary to popular opinion, that factory workers in the "unhealthy" factory/city environment, were generally in better shape than those with "wholesome" farm backgrounds. The myths die hard and sometimes they don't die at all.
Bob W wrote: > So really what we have done is export the really > >> dirty jobs to >> places like China, where they're willing to breath filth, drink less >> > > >> than perfectly pure water, because it's better than the >> alternative. >> > > What I'm saying is that we should clean this stuff up so that no-one > has to breath filth or drink dirty water. That's the alternative we > should be looking at. It is within our power to do this. > > >> places like China, where they're willing to breath filth >> > > Are they? Has anyone asked the Chinese? Or are the ordinary Chinese > people having it imposed on them by their disgusting leadership, with > a tiny fraction of a percentage of Chinese oligarchs getting fat on > the profits? > > Bob > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of P. J. Alling >> Sent: 17 February 2008 11:27 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops >> >> I've heard that argument, but the facts are a bit wrong. The >> history of >> industrialization in the US North East shows that real environmental >> > > >> progress started long before the enactment of any legislation with >> teeth. The mills and factories moved to places where unskilled >> > labor > >> was less expensive, initially the American South. As >> industry moved out >> air quality and water quality improved perceptibly. I'll bet if you >> > > >> chart the de-industrialization of England you'll find that >> has more to >> do with clean air and water than any legislation, with the possible >> exception of baning coal burning fireplaces in London, and that only >> > > >> locally. So really what we have done is export the really >> dirty jobs to >> places like China, where they're willing to breath filth, drink less >> > > >> than perfectly pure water, because it's better than the >> alternative. As >> the Chinese become rich, those jobs and those plants will be moved >> further down the food chain... >> > > > -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
