20mm on FF is, for me, the boundary between wide and ultra-wide.
Having gone wider, I can't go back for some uses. I'd rather have a 17
and 28mm pair of primes than a 20-35mm zoom.

I would be interested in seeing how the 20-35 performs on FF digital.
But I doubt it matches the Nikkor 14-24 in performance (or size and
cost).

-Adam

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:44 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes but I'm all set for FF Pentax, I've still got my 20-35mm FA 4.0  really
> nice as an ultra wide on film,. even better as a ~28 mm equivalent on APS-C
> and also no where near $2000 when new.  It breaks my heart that it's been
> discontinued.
>
> Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>> And that's a crop lens. So it would be one of the ways of saving $2000
>> dollars by running in DX crop mode. It sucks at 18mm on FF (Been
>> there, done that with the Tokina on an F100, it's not anything
>> approaching a solution for FF use).
>>
>> Truly good ultra-wide zooms for F mount come down to the 14-24 f2.8
>> (the king of ultra-wide zoom performance on any mount right now, beats
>> every prime in its range except the 21 Distagon) at $2k CDN and the
>> 17-35 f2.8 AF-S which gets worse as it gets wider but is extremely
>> good at 35mm. That's around $1500CDN new if you can actually find one.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:24 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hum, last I herd the Pentax 12-24 was pretty decent, and that doesn't
>>> cost
>>> anywhere near to $2000.  The Tokina version might or might not be SMC but
>>> it
>>> has a pretty good reputation.  I always considered 18mm pretty much ultra
>>> wide on 35mm.
>>>
>>> Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:15 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "David Savage"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nikon's DX lenses work on the D3/D700. Admittedly at a "cropped"
>>>>>> resolution,
>>>>>> but they do work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the point of shelling out the bucks for a full frame DSLR, if
>>>>> you're
>>>>> only going to be able to shoot "cropped" because the lenses won't cover
>>>>> the
>>>>> full frame?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you don't have to shell out an extra $2000 right away to get a good
>>>> ultra-wide zoom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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