Well said, Doug.  And it comes close to my favourite gripe which is
all the secret hiding places for internet caches, only some of which
I've found courtesy of my firewall when it flags a process trying to
exceed its permissions.  It doesn't help that random names are
generated for the subfolders in temp internet files, to thwart
searching for content down that avenue.  To compound the grief, the
files are never fully deleted even when they're told to delete, and
cookies are always hanging around somewhere despite being told to
retire themselves in 7 days. And what about all those little programs
like shockwave and quicktime and such, that not only insist on being
in startup, but promote themselves as high on the list as possible,
even above the firewall and AV, so they can exploit the interval
before the firewall starts.  I unplug my modem during startup just in
case.

The worst example I ever found was the driver for a Sony DVD drive in
one of my computers.  When setting its file associations, it took
control of .dat files on the thin pretext that it was the extension of
a type of karaoke file.  The fact that .dat files were also the
repository of a user's internet browsing history surely can't have
been unknown to Sony, could it?  I discovered this dirty little secret
when my firewall flagged a Sony process trying to "phone home".
Digging around revealed that my .dat files had grown a Sony icon.
Scumbags!  Uninstalled, registry cleaned and reinstalled without that
file association fuck-you-very-much.

Anyone else seen any scandalous behaviour from software?

regards, Anthony

   "Of what use is lens and light
    to those who lack in mind and sight"
                                               (Anon)

2009/11/4 Doug Franklin <[email protected]>:
> Dude, I was trying not to get fired up ... but I just can't help it on
> this topic.  Folks, this one runs a bit long, so you might ought just to
> press the Delete key.
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> I don't use anything from Microsoft.
>
> And I don't use anything from Apple. So?
>
>> In order to interact with the
>> system wide color management system and printers in Mac OS X, however,
>> Adobe has to put profiles and alias links to profiles where the OS can
>> get to them. The rest of what it installs is all put in well known
>> places where third-party stuff goes.
>
> So, in order to vindicate Adobe you indict Apple.  That's OK with me.  I
> understand just exactly how fouled up Microsoft is, having dealt with
> their vermin since 1981.  As an experienced practitioner, I have to assume
> that Apple has its own particular forms of despicability.  I'm nearly as
> conversant in Adobe's suckage  (on various Windows and *nix-based platforms)
> as Microsoft's, having dealt with it nearly as long.
>
> I started out with a long explication of my background here.  I decided
> that was a bad idea and only prolonged an already painful experience for
> most readers.  For those of you that are interested, here's an abbreviated
> account of my background as listed on my LinkedIn account
> (you have to be a LinkedIn user):
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=41774161&trk=tab_pro>
>
> Net, net, I've been writing system-level code for external distribution, and
> developing the processes to do it reliably without screwing our customers,
> for over 25 years, so I'm not some guy from a garage that "knows" HTML.
>
>> There are other bits that need to be managed, [...] To change that
>> means thousands of programmer-hours spent very expensively to no
>> particular benefit to anyone.
>
> Delving into and explaining the basic stupidity of so much of the "design"
> and "features" of different OSes and versions won't help anyone here.
>  However, based on my personal experience, Adobe (among others) really,
> desperately, needs to acknowledge that it's /my/ /fucking/ /computer/!  And
> do what I tell it to do /in/ /every/ /case/, not just when it suits them.
>
> And I'm not talking about stuff foisted upon them by the OS vendor, like
> where ICC profiles "live".  I'm talking about installing by a user other
> than an administrator/root.  I'm talking about when I tell you to install in
> /boing/frodo/photoshop (or wherever) that you don't touch /anything/ else
> unless you ask and receive my explicit permission.
>
> If they've finally gotten religion, then bless them.  They lost my
> support years ago by flaunting my instructions, asking where I want
> things to go and screwing around with other things, anyway.  For the
> past several years I've been replacing Adobe products as fast as I can,
> and I'll continue to do so, because they (among others, as I said) have
> shown, IMO, unbridled contempt for me as a paying consumer.  They offer to
> sell me a car and insist on messing with my plumbing if I buy the car.
>
> If I didn't make a shit load of money off Microsoft's stupidity, I'd be
> doing the same thing with them.  Since I do make a lot of money off
> them, I'm willing to sacrifice a couple of computers and virtual
> machines to their "hegemony" and writing it off as a depreciated capex
> or expense whenever legally permissible.  But Microsoft's surely no better,
> that fat load of arrogant pricks.
>
> IOW, software vendors are like politicians in that all of both suck in one
> way or another, the only question is whether you can make it work for you.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> DougF (KG4LMZ)
>
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