On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Bob W wrote: >> >>>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est >>> >>>> I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has >>>> provoked an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at >>>> least to challenge him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, >>>> unadjusted Argus C3 brick against his Leica M3. However given the >>>> subjective aspect of photographic quality, it isn't nearly so cut and >>>> dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him around the >>>> racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van. >>> >>> I've used an Argus brick which is probably now 60+ years old, although it >>> was nearly 30 years ago that I used it. And I have a Leica M3 which is 52 >>> years old. >>> >>> I can categorically assure you that the M3 is better than the Argus in all >>> respects expect brickiness. >> >> Where do you stand on the Porsche vs. Dodge Van question? > > The first time I drove a Dodge van on the track, I was turning faster > laptimes in my van than I had been in my Corolla. I was also turning faster > laptimes than one of the students in his second generation MR2. I did realize > that if I rolled the toyota up into a little ball I could tow it home in the > van, the function was not commutable. > > The one time I drove my current van on the track, I had to drive so slow so > that my current student could keep up, I have no idea as to it's performance > abilities. > > I don't have any direct experience with a Dodge Van and a Porsche, but I did > have a student once, who by the end of the day was keeping up with my Honda > stationwagon in his carrera 4. Some years back, Grassroots Motorsports did a > laptime comparison between a Honda Odyssey and a Jaguar E-type on an > autocross course. The Odyssey was substantially faster. > > In any case, depending on the van, the porsche and the racetrack, there's a > good chance that I could turn a faster laptime than him, if I were in a Dodge > Van and he were in a Porsche. Given drivers of equal skill, and a 1/2 ton van > with a 360 and swaybars versus a 914/1.8 and upgraded swaybars, I wouldn't be > surprised if the van took on the porsche. > And of course, you could haul a lot more groceries in your Dodge van. Function counts. Paul > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions.
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