I've seen a lot of B&W images lately that have that nasty, crispy, overcooked-HDR look to them, so it's not only possible but being done. We need to squint and move the sliders back and forth between Zero-Effect and Yikes-OMG until we reach somewhere inside the Happy-Medium point.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Darren Addy <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul's comment is thought provoking because with today's tools, it IS > possible to do similar manipulations in color. The problem is that it > is easy to push the "needle too far" and then people react negatively > to the image (as in "not realistic", "photoshopped", "oversharpened", > etc.). That in itself indicates (to me) that we are wired to treat > color images as representative of "reality" and if we go beyond a > certain point in post-processin most of us will object to the image as > "faked" or "unrealistic". It doesn't seem to me that (other than > solarization or other "radical" treatments in B&W) that monochrome > images have that same "baggage" to contend with, even though they may > be manipulated as AA did in the darkroom. > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Jack Davis <[email protected]> wrote: >> I agree, Ann. I imagine his dramatic style had a bit to do with the "vivid >> landscape" choice in the B&W converter. >> >> Jack >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:18 PM >> Subject: Re: OT: Ansel Adams 1983 BBC interview (1 year before his death) >> >> >> One thing I found really fascinating in the video, Ansel often boosted the >> contrast way up. Especially on his most well-known photos. If he had done >> that in color it would have been immediately noticeable. >> >> In other words, he was a Photoshopper well before there was a Photoshop. >> >> So, yes, Rob he probably would have loved digital. >> >> Marnie aka Doe :-) >> >> In a message dated 4/16/2013 12:24:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> There's a lot of converstation going on between your ears, John, that >> didn't come out of my mouth. I shoot color. If I were disparaging >> anyone I would have to include myself as one who needed to be >> disparaged. But that's not what I'm doing. Occasionally I find an >> image that I think would look better in B&W and I'm generally pleased >> with the results and often prefer it to the color version. >> >> My point was that Ansel Adam's B&W imagery made him an icon. He chose >> the same subject matter for his color work. Is there really anyone >> among us who look at those color images of his and think they are head >> and shoulders above anything you have seen elsewhere? Or that he would >> have become an icon if he had only his color work to show? >> >> There is a reason that the colorizing >> of black and white films bothers >> people. A lot of people. It is because there is a different aesthetic >> at work in black and white. Ansel himself refers to it as an >> interpretation of reality (whereas color photography is mostly just >> reality). Sometimes reality is impressive enough - one reason that >> cliches like sunrises/sunsets are so enjoyable to us. Few would claim >> that a sunset in black & white is going to have more impact than the >> color version. >> >> It has nothing to do with being inferior. Take any of those color >> images of Ansel Adams and convert it to B&W (applying Adam's Zone >> System for best dynamic range) and ask 100 people which image has more >> gravitas and I guarantee you that the majority of those who understand >> the meaning of the word will choose the B&W. That's all I'm saying, >> and you are free to disagree or to get >> any degree of frostburn they >> would like by extrapolating from my comments, rather than just taking >> them at face value. >> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM, John Francis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I disagree, too. >>> >>> But what really frosts me about the statement is the implicit >>> arrogance that assumes anyone who generally prefers colour to >>> B&W images is just plain wrong, and an inferior being incapable >>> of appreciating the true value of the work. >>> >>> If you like B&W images, fine. But it should be possible for >>> you to enjoy them without disparaging those who don't. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 02:54:45PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: >>>> Two words: Afghan Girl. >>>> >>>> IOW, I disagree. :-) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Darren Addy <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> > Ansel's color images are nice enough but they illustrate, in a way >>>> > that few other things can, how color images can never have the >>>> > gravitas of a good B&W image. >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Zos Xavius <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >> http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1932762,00.html >>>> >> >>>> >> worth a look! >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at >> 11:41 AM, George Sinos <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>> A few years ago there was an exhibit of various photographers work >> at >>>> >>> the local museum. Several 8x10 color transparencies were on display >>>> >>> (Kodachrome, if I remember correctly.) They were on a large light >>>> >>> table, back lit, of course. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I was surprised to see that were Adam's work. gs >>>> >>> George Sinos >>>> >>> -------------------- >>>> >>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net >>>> >>> www.GeorgeSinos.com >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:37 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I had the same thought. But since he preferred B&W, he probably >> would have >>>> >>>> found the first digital cameras disappointing for B&W. Although >> he did >>>> >>>> shoot some in color too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marnie aka Doe I really got a lot ouf of the interview. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 4/15/2013 4:38:00 P.M. 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