Oh I see. Reading a bit on this there appears to be little quality difference in pictures between the two optical formulas and that the 8 element is rare, and obviously more valuable. Pretty much as much as I assumed. I guess if hybrids existed they would be rare yet and worth a bit more.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Zos Xavius <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm going to be the dumb guy here and ask is there any real major > differences between the 7 and 8 element version optically? IIRC the > earlier version is more desirable? Or do I have it the wrong way > around? I never got what the big deal was over the Takumar 50/1.4. I > have a M50/1.4 and its very, very good for portraits with delicious > smooth bokeh. From some sources, I heard the takumar is slightly > softer. So what's the deal with this lens? > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Darren Addy <[email protected]> wrote: >> That's true, J.C. but that is the part you are least likely to see >> when looking at photos (online auctions, etc.) >> The lens will either be on the camera or they will have a cap on the >> back. Unless the seller knows what they actually have, in which case >> somebody else can buy it. >> : ) >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM, J.C. O'Connell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> FWIW, >>> >>> The easiest way to tell a true 8 element is the rear glass element >>> protrudes unprotected. On the later 7 element versions the rear >>> element glass has a metal rim protecting it. >>> jco >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/13/2013 2:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >>>> >>>> Don't know how many will be interested in this, but it is kind of a >>>> big deal if you are looking for the original 8 element Super Takumar >>>> 50mm f1.4 (or think you already own one). >>>> >>>> It started when I found this photo on Flickr: 3 versions of Super >>>> Takumar f1.4/50mm ?! >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/8312126654 >>>> >>>> The poster here believes that the middle lens is a hybrid between the >>>> 8 element and the 7 element. He goes on to dissect it and prove that >>>> it is a 7 element design. But I discovered taht one thing that threw >>>> him off is actually a Pentax mistake: If you look at the Red Infrared >>>> focusing mark and compare the three lenses, you will see that the >>>> spacing of the lines is different on the true 8 element, as compared >>>> to the other two. The "hybrid" actually has the wrong line painted >>>> red. This gives the impression that it is an 8 element, but if you >>>> look closely you will see that they have actually painted the f4 line >>>> red on the "hybrid". >>>> >>>> I don't know how many example of this there might be out there, but if >>>> you were counting on the red infrared focusing mark as the identifying >>>> feature you might want to look again. I placed a comment in that >>>> photo's thread showing the same thing. >>>> >>>> So the "hybrid" IS a transitional lens, in that they are still using >>>> the A/M designation (like they did on the original 8 element) and not >>>> the later Auto/Man. But it is in all other respects a 7 element lens. >>>> >>>> To help narrow it down a bit, in a later post, Andreas gives the >>>> serial numbers of the two lenses: >>>> 1585445 the 8 element >>>> 1591478 the "hybrid" >>>> >>>> Side note: >>>> The majority of people who are registering the serial number of their >>>> original 8 element Super Takumar 50mm f1.4s are on crack (or believe >>>> they have one since they procurred it from an unscrupulous seller that >>>> listed it as such) >>>> >>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-serial-number-database/?do=viewserials&id=127 >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> J.C. O'Connell >>> [email protected] >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> "Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art" - >> Peter Galassi >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
