The earlier 8-element version was sought after by collectors for a while 
because it didn't yellow with age, as the 7-element lens did. The 7-element 
50/1.4 Takumar used thorium in (one?) rare-earth glass element, as did a couple 
of other Takumars of the time.

I think the earlier lens was worse wide open and took longer to improve by 
stopping down, though it gave a dreamy effect when wide open that was sometimes 
desirable.

The earlier lens' rear element may have also protruded more -- in fact, when it 
was released, it couldn't be used on earlier Pentax SV/H3v, S3/H3, S1a/H1a, 
etc. cameras because of the mirror box design. The SV/H3v mirror box was 
tweaked to allow this lens to be mounted without damaging the rear element 
(those later SV/H3v cameras had the green "R" marking the rewind lever rather 
than an orange one.

Joe



> Oh I see. Reading a bit on this there appears to be little quality
> difference in pictures between the two optical formulas and that the 8
> element is rare, and obviously more valuable. Pretty much as much as I
> assumed. I guess if hybrids existed they would be rare yet and worth a
> bit more.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Zos Xavius <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I'm going to be the dumb guy here and ask is there any real major
> > differences between the 7 and 8 element version optically? IIRC the
> > earlier version is more desirable? Or do I have it the wrong way
> > around? I never got what the big deal was over the Takumar 50/1.4. I
> > have a M50/1.4 and its very, very good for portraits with delicious
> > smooth bokeh. From some sources, I heard the takumar is slightly
> > softer. So what's the deal with this lens?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Darren Addy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> That's true, J.C. but that is the part you are least likely to see
> >> when looking at photos (online auctions, etc.)
> >> The lens will either be on the camera or they will have a cap on the
> >> back. Unless the seller knows what they actually have, in which case
> >> somebody else can buy it.
> >> : )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM, J.C. O'Connell <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> FWIW,
> >>>
> >>> The easiest way to tell a true 8 element is the rear glass element
> >>> protrudes unprotected.  On the later 7 element versions the rear
> >>> element glass has a metal rim protecting it.
> >>> jco
> >>>


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