I've got a son-in-law that shoots Canon APS-C and he used to have the
Canon 10-22mm (wore it out) and then went to the Tokina 11-16 and he
really dislikes IT. Not enough range and he says it flares badly. With
the crop factor, you are getting a 17.6mm (35mm equiv. FOV) on the
wide end, as opposed to 16mm and he misses that extra 1.6mm of width.
I'm not sure if he's going to go back to the Canon or try the Sigma
10-20mm, but he's not going to miss that Tokina 11-16mm.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Zos Xavius <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hoping the tokina 12-28 makes it over. I love my 12-24, but wish it
> were as good as the 11-16.
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Larry Colen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 04:04:25PM -0400, Stan Halpin wrote:
>>> Interesting zoom range(s). But all shown as DA so far, not DA*.
>>> And FINALLY an AF teleconverter. Again, DA rather than DA*. But after 
>>> waiting 15+ years, I guess I'll take what I can get.
>>
>> 18-85?
>>
>> If that's f/2.8 (or faster) that will go pretty much right to the
>> top of my shopping list. Particularly if it's a DA* or at least WR.
>>
>> For photographing at the dojo, that is pretty much exactly the
>> range I need, but since I can't use a flash, I also need faster
>> glass.  Unless, of course the replacement for the K-5 can shoot at
>> ISO 25,600 as cleanly as the K-5 does ISO 6400.
>>
>>>
>>> stan
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>>
>>> > http://photorumors.com/2013/08/28/updated-pentax-k-mount-lens-roadmap-published/
>>> >
>>> > Huzzah!
>>> >
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