I think that it is becoming clear that the APS-C format hits a real sweet spot for making use of a LOT of legacy glass, as well as having digitally optimized lenses available. I can't tell you how happy I am with the K-5ii. You don't have to give up the wide end (as much as you do with 4/3). Lots of reasonable choices are there, like the Pentax 12-24mm and the Sigma 10-20mm (with their effective 15-18mm FOVs). And you get a decent 50% boost on the telephoto end (with a 200mm giving you an effective 300mm FOV). The sensor is large enough that you can keep noise down, even with a lot of pixels on the sensor, and shallow DOF is available with fast lenses, if that is your thing.
The new Sony cameras give you nothing other than the big sensor. You give up the shake reduction. One guy on dpreview put it this way: + Fullframe Sensor: K-5=no A7=yes - Autofocus: K-5=yes A7=no - Lens Correction: K-5=yes A7=no - Viewfinder: K-5=OVF A7=EVF ? GPS: K-5=optional A7=? - Image Stabilization: K-5=yes A7=no Other than getting a full frame sensor, everything else is a big downgrade. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Boris Liberman <[email protected]> wrote: > Reply interspersed: > > > On 10/18/2013 3:49 AM, Tom C wrote: >> >> Zos, that statement basically casts a pale over the rest that you write. >> >> It's also characteristic of comments often seen here and on many other >> lists regardless of brand. That is the apparent lack of, or temporary >> lack of intellectual honesty. The definition is here: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_honesty > > > Oh, thanks, Tom. I'm observing intellectual dishonesty all over internet > these days. I just did not know the exact term for that, and you have helped > me here. Thanks. > > >> We all like our gear to look good. I frankly like the lines of the >> A7's. To be honest I'd have preferred a NEX style without the >> prism-like hump, but I wasn't the designer. Actually it shares basic >> lines with every DSLR ever made. > > > I agree. I mean, if it had an electronic viewfinder in the left top corner > (when looking from behind) similar to Nex-6 or RF cameras, IMHO, it would > have been more in line with small size notion. > > >>> Thirdly its is a Nex which means nex-style >>> ergonomics and awful, unbalanced handling. >> >> >> It's not a NEX, it's a Sony E-mount camera with the (a)lpha designation. >> >> I have two NEX's. They are not unbalanced nor do they have bad >> ergonomics IMO. Have you used a NEX for any period of time to back up >> the statement? Even the accidental video button press is grossly >> exaggerated. It's my opinion, others will disagree, that we adjust to >> ergonomics over time and it's what you've come use to. I still feel >> strange turning the lens in the opposite direction Pentax to >> mount/dismount with Nikon. It's not the Nikon at fault, it's my mental >> conditioning after using Pentax for 22 years. Eventually it'll become >> second nature with Nikons. > > > Indeed. It took me several days to get used to the button instead of keyhole > for ignition in our rented car in Europe. It took me then few ugly attempts > to press a button that wasn't there when we got home. > > In general, I think that to say that such and such camera has bad ergonomics > either should assume that it is perspective of just one person, the one who > writes, or it is intellectually dishonest. > > >> It would be very difficult for Pentax to sell a FF camera for less >> than the A, considering economies of scale. Just putting a FF sensor >> in a K-3 and adding the additional cost would bring it close, not to >> mention additional likely changes to shutter, stabilization, and more. > > > Well, I have to disagree with you here, Tom. Pentax is not forced to make > their first FF camera be the cheapest out there. Pentax has some strong > selling points such as serious weather resistance or shake reduction (and > now this variable anti aliasing technology too) that may allow it to > position themselves somewhere in the middle of the pack. > > >> Claiming the K-3 is a better camera without evidence, and denying the >> advantages of FF as if they are irrelevant simply because one does not >> have them or may not be able to afford them at the moment goes to my >> first point . > > > To make it even more general - neither camera has seen the light of day. We > had some previews from DPReview and the likes and that's it. We honestly > don't know anything about real use of these cameras, so how could we > honestly produce blanket statements such as K-3 is better than A7 or A7 is > better than K-3? > > Boris > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
