I understand your point Frank, but I think that Paul has a valid point. Women are much more aesthetically pleasing than men to many. I don't object to either male or female nudes really. Its 2013, not 1892, but that's me. Mind you this is also coming from the guy that wishes more women wore dresses and knew how to cook (a dying breed), so maybe I'm just old fashioned in my own ways. I guess you object to women being the focus. Fair enough, but for what its worth not many people desire to see naked men. When it comes to women though, even completely straight females seem to appreciate the female form. I've had countless women tell me that they vastly prefer to look at other females nude, so maybe there is something to that. I'm not gay or female so I'm generally not attracted to men. Nudes are a form of fine art photography that have stretched back to the pictorialism era and have dominated works of art since men started painting on caves and throwing pottery. Actually I think that there really isn't objectification going on and that is your own hangups about nudity projecting here, but I don't know you so maybe I'm totally off base. This is an age old debate that I think our society would benefit from moving on from and becoming more accepting of the human form.
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:17 PM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm there. > > Cheers, > frank > > > Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>Paul via phone >> >>> On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:04 PM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> We disagree on many issues, Paul. But you're always a gentleman. And >>a friend. >>> >>> Wrong. >>> >>> But a friend. >>That's all I aspire to. Let's do a male nude pug. It would be >>interesting to see who could do it justice . >>> >>> LOL! >>> >>> cheers, >>> frank >>> >>> Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I love you too Frank. Seriously, you're a pal. That's why I try to >>>> liberate you:-) >>>> >>>> Paul via phone >>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:50 PM, knarf <[email protected]> >>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You completely miss my point Paul. >>>>> >>>>> I don't shoot nudes. Male or female. I wouldn't do the genre >>justice. >>>> Male or female. >>>>> >>>>> And I wasn't complaining. I was commenting. >>>>> >>>>> So far the comments to my post are about what I expected, from the >>>> expected sources. >>>>> >>>>> But I love ya, buddy! >>>>> >>>>> ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> frank >>>>> >>>>> Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> The simple solution: shoot some male nudes and post them, I would >>>> think >>>>>> that someone who fervently believes there should be balance would >>>>>> strive to make that happen rather than merely complaining . I shot >>a >>>>>> nude self portrait in sycamore canyon about a dozen years ago. >>Hmmm. >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul via phone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 PM, knarf <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What makes you think I haven't protested museums and galleries? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Besides, just because another venue objectifies females doesn't >>>> mean >>>>>> it should be done here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And there are surely many reasons other than beauty to portray >>the >>>>>> male form. Power, athleticism, eroticism, are they not valid >>>> reasons? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not that I accept your statement that female forms are more >>>> beautiful >>>>>> than male. That strikes as pure opinion not backed by any facts >>>>>> whatsoever. How could it be anything other than opinion? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep in mind that the art world, from artists to curators to >>>> gallery >>>>>> owners to purchasers is male-dominated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. >>>> Art >>>>>>>> history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. Perhaps you >>>>>> should >>>>>>>> mount a protest at the Met. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul via phone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, knarf <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's >>>>>> recent >>>>>>>> series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed >>>>>>>> specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole >>>> female >>>>>>>> nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and >>>> likely >>>>>>>> will do so again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And >>it's >>>>>> not >>>>>>>> because they're sexualized by showing "dirty parts". It's >>because >>>>>>>> there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female >>nudes. >>> >>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>and follow the directions. >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>[email protected] >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>follow the directions. > > “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
