While I find that subject to be mildly interesting, it's really of no consequence to me who our common ancestor is. It seems very important to you. Would you mind telling us why?
Thanks, frank On November 26, 2015 10:28:06 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >Identifying a common ancestor. > >Alan C > >-----Original Message----- >From: knarf >Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 3:15 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor > >The key to what? > >Cheers, > >frank > >On November 26, 2015 7:58:51 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >>Sorry, I didn't realize. O.K. - you can have a nice cup of Rooibos tea >>instead. >> >>It look as if DNA studies will be the key. Chimps, Bonobos & Humans >>share >>about 70% of their DNA. There are variations between human population >>groups >>too but there is an incredible web of interbreeding & migration still >>to be >>unravelled. Those who think the Neanderthals became extinct have it >all >> >>wrong - just look at the front rows of rugby scrums! >> >>Alan C >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Bob W-PDML >>Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 2:19 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >>That won't do my gout any good. >> >>B >> >>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in lard. >>> >>> Alan C >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W >>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:43 PM >>> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >>> Subject: RE: PESO - The Protestor >>> >>> I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering this >>because >>> I'm curious to see where it's going. >>> >>> Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to bonobos. >>Since >>> common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we are >>equally >>> closely related to both. >>> >>> Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall of >the >> >>> Third >>> Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the (other) great >>apes, >>> and >>> talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's quite an old >>book now >>> so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably outdated, but it is >>still >>> an >>> excellent read. >>> >>> The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and chimps >>does >>> not seem to have been settled yet. There are several candidates, but >>> discoveries seem to happen so often that before the ink is dry on >the >> >>> latest >>> paper someone announces another candidate. >>> >>> I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify The >>One. >>> There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of speciations >>> happening around the estimated time of the split. Even if fossils >are >> >>> found >>> of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the other >>candidates, >>> but >>> we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the type of >>creature it >>> was. >>> >>> The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya, and >>> Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different theories >>that >>> somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance would >>be >>> unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the sidelines >>for >>> about >>> 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates sidelined I >>> wouldn't >>> even hazard a guess. >>> >>> Can I have my surprise now? >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: PDML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan C >>>> Sent: Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>> >>>> Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be >>surprised >>>> what >>>> you find. >>>> >>>> Alan C >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: knarf >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>> >>>> I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I >>suppose it >>>> would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a non-scientific >>> feeling. >>>> My opinion really doesn't mean much. >>>> >>>> Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter >>of >>>> opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is >>not an >>>> area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest in. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> frank >>>> >>>> On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> >>wrote: >>>> >You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better. >>>> >"Genetically >>>> >we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, >>in >>>> >your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to >who >>the >>>> >common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as if >>I'm >>>> >being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a >conclusion, >>or >>>> >tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to >establish >>a >>>> >common base so we can further our discourse. >>>> > >>>> >Alan C >>>> > >>>> >-----Original Message----- >>>> >From: knarf >>>> >Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM >>>> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>> > >>>> >I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living >>ancestors" >>>> >in >>>> >evolutionary terms. >>>> > >>>> >As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to >>>> >chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't >ancestors >>or >>>> >somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species >has >>>> >evolved differently to where we are today. >>>> > >>>> >I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, >>as if >>>> > >>>> >you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some >way. >>>> > >>>> >Could we get to the point please? >>>> > >>>> >Thanks, >>>> > >>>> >frank >>>> > >>>> >On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> >>wrote: >>>> >>Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like >>us? >>>> >> >>>> >>Alan C >>>> >> >>>> >>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>From: knarf >>>> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM >>>> >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>> >> >>>> >>I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, >>great >>>> >>apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the >>>> >>earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our current form. >>>> >> >>>> >>Cheers, >>>> >> >>>> >>frank >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> >>wrote: >>>> >>>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Alan C >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>and >>> follow the directions. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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