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> On 26 Nov 2015, at 17:11, John <[email protected]> wrote: > > Don't you want to know if he left us anything in his will? > >> On 11/26/2015 10:39 AM, knarf wrote: >> While I find that subject to be mildly interesting, it's really of no >> consequence to me who our common ancestor is. It seems very important >> to you. Would you mind telling us why? >> >> Thanks, >> >> frank >> >> On November 26, 2015 10:28:06 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Identifying a common ancestor. >>> >>> Alan C >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Thursday, November 26, >>> 2015 3:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - The >>> Protestor >>> >>> The key to what? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> On November 26, 2015 7:58:51 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Sorry, I didn't realize. O.K. - you can have a nice cup of >>>> Rooibos tea instead. >>>> >>>> It look as if DNA studies will be the key. Chimps, Bonobos & >>>> Humans share about 70% of their DNA. There are variations between >>>> human population groups too but there is an incredible web of >>>> interbreeding & migration still to be unravelled. Those who think >>>> the Neanderthals became extinct have it >>> all >>>> >>>> wrong - just look at the front rows of rugby scrums! >>>> >>>> Alan C >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W-PDML Sent: Thursday, >>>> November 26, 2015 2:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: >>>> Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>> >>>> That won't do my gout any good. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in >>>>> lard. >>>>> >>>>> Alan C >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W Sent: Thursday, November >>>>> 26, 2015 12:43 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: >>>>> PESO - The Protestor >>>>> >>>>> I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering >>>>> this >>>> because >>>>> I'm curious to see where it's going. >>>>> >>>>> Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to >>>>> bonobos. >>>> Since >>>>> common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we >>>>> are >>>> equally >>>>> closely related to both. >>>>> >>>>> Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall >>>>> of >>> the >>>> >>>>> Third Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the >>>>> (other) great >>>> apes, >>>>> and talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's quite >>>>> an old >>>> book now >>>>> so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably outdated, but >>>>> it is >>>> still >>>>> an excellent read. >>>>> >>>>> The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and >>>>> chimps >>>> does >>>>> not seem to have been settled yet. There are several >>>>> candidates, but discoveries seem to happen so often that before >>>>> the ink is dry on >>> the >>>> >>>>> latest paper someone announces another candidate. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify >>>>> The >>>> One. >>>>> There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of >>>>> speciations happening around the estimated time of the split. >>>>> Even if fossils >>> are >>>> >>>>> found of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the >>>>> other >>>> candidates, >>>>> but we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the type >>>>> of >>>> creature it >>>>> was. >>>>> >>>>> The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya, >>>>> and Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different >>>>> theories >>>> that >>>>> somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance >>>>> would >>>> be >>>>> unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the >>>>> sidelines >>>> for >>>>> about 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates >>>>> sidelined I wouldn't even hazard a guess. >>>>> >>>>> Can I have my surprise now? >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: PDML >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan C Sent: >>>>>> Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail >>>>>> List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>> >>>>>> Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be >>>> surprised >>>>>> what you find. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan C >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Thursday, >>>>>> November 26, 2015 6:52 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. >>>>>> I >>>> suppose it >>>>>> would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a >>>>>> non-scientific >>>>> feeling. >>>>>> My opinion really doesn't mean much. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a >>>>>> matter >>>> of >>>>>> opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. >>>>>> Paleontology is >>>> not an >>>>>> area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest >>>>>> in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> frank >>>>>> >>>>>> On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been >>>>>>> better. "Genetically we're close to chimps, bonobos, >>>>>>> gorillas and orangutans" - which, >>>> in >>>>>>> your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion >>>>>>> as to >>> who >>>> the >>>>>>> common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather >>>>>>> feel as if >>>> I'm >>>>>>> being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a >>> conclusion, >>>> or >>>>>>> tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to >>> establish >>>> a >>>>>>> common base so we can further our discourse. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alan C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Wednesday, >>>>>>> November 25, 2015 10:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't understand your question. We don't have any >>>>>>> "living >>>> ancestors" >>>>>>> in evolutionary terms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're >>>>>>> close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they >>>>>>> aren't >>> ancestors >>>> or >>>>>>> somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each >>>>>>> species >>> has >>>>>>> evolved differently to where we are today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined >>>>>>> here, >>>> as if >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in >>>>>>> some >>> way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could we get to the point please? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those >>>>>>>> most like >>>> us? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Wednesday, >>>>>>>> November 25, 2015 4:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are >>>>>>>> animals, >>>> great >>>>>>>> apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face >>>>>>>> of the earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our >>>>>>>> current form. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> frank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary >>>>>>>>> scale? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alan C > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
