I will. > On 26 Nov 2015, at 17:53, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you ever get a chance to watch the movie "The God's must be Crazy" you > will see that it was actually a Coke bottle which caused a San family feud. > > From Wikipedia: "Xi and his San tribe are "living well off the land" in the > Kalahari Desert. They are happy because of their belief that the gods have > provided plenty of everything, and no one among them has any wants. One day, > a Coca-Cola bottle is thrown out of an aeroplane and falls to Earth unbroken. > Initially, Xi's people suppose this strange artefact is a present from the > gods and find many uses for it. They employ it as a craft tool, rolling pin, > pestle, blow the top to make music, etc. But unlike anything that they have > had before, there is only one glass bottle to go around. With everyone > wanting it at once, they soon find themselves experiencing envy, anger, and > even violence." > > Alan C > > -----Original Message----- From: Bob W-PDML > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:34 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor > > A large stone and a termite stick, and even that caused a family feud > > B > >> On 26 Nov 2015, at 17:11, John <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Don't you want to know if he left us anything in his will? >> >>> On 11/26/2015 10:39 AM, knarf wrote: >>> While I find that subject to be mildly interesting, it's really of no >>> consequence to me who our common ancestor is. It seems very important >>> to you. Would you mind telling us why? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> On November 26, 2015 10:28:06 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Identifying a common ancestor. >>>> >>>> Alan C >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Thursday, November 26, >>>> 2015 3:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - The >>>> Protestor >>>> >>>> The key to what? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> frank >>>> >>>> On November 26, 2015 7:58:51 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Sorry, I didn't realize. O.K. - you can have a nice cup of >>>>> Rooibos tea instead. >>>>> >>>>> It look as if DNA studies will be the key. Chimps, Bonobos & >>>>> Humans share about 70% of their DNA. There are variations between >>>>> human population groups too but there is an incredible web of >>>>> interbreeding & migration still to be unravelled. Those who think >>>>> the Neanderthals became extinct have it >>>> all >>>>> >>>>> wrong - just look at the front rows of rugby scrums! >>>>> >>>>> Alan C >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W-PDML Sent: Thursday, >>>>> November 26, 2015 2:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: >>>>> Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>> >>>>> That won't do my gout any good. >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in >>>>>> lard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan C >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W Sent: Thursday, November >>>>>> 26, 2015 12:43 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: >>>>>> PESO - The Protestor >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering >>>>>> this >>>>> because >>>>>> I'm curious to see where it's going. >>>>>> >>>>>> Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to >>>>>> bonobos. >>>>> Since >>>>>> common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we >>>>>> are >>>>> equally >>>>>> closely related to both. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall >>>>>> of >>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> Third Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the >>>>>> (other) great >>>>> apes, >>>>>> and talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's quite >>>>>> an old >>>>> book now >>>>>> so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably outdated, but >>>>>> it is >>>>> still >>>>>> an excellent read. >>>>>> >>>>>> The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and >>>>>> chimps >>>>> does >>>>>> not seem to have been settled yet. There are several >>>>>> candidates, but discoveries seem to happen so often that before >>>>>> the ink is dry on >>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> latest paper someone announces another candidate. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify >>>>>> The >>>>> One. >>>>>> There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of >>>>>> speciations happening around the estimated time of the split. >>>>>> Even if fossils >>>> are >>>>> >>>>>> found of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the >>>>>> other >>>>> candidates, >>>>>> but we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the type >>>>>> of >>>>> creature it >>>>>> was. >>>>>> >>>>>> The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya, >>>>>> and Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different >>>>>> theories >>>>> that >>>>>> somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance >>>>>> would >>>>> be >>>>>> unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the >>>>>> sidelines >>>>> for >>>>>> about 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates >>>>>> sidelined I wouldn't even hazard a guess. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can I have my surprise now? >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: PDML >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan C Sent: >>>>>>> Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail >>>>>>> List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be >>>>> surprised >>>>>>> what you find. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alan C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Thursday, >>>>>>> November 26, 2015 6:52 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. >>>>>>> I >>>>> suppose it >>>>>>> would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a >>>>>>> non-scientific >>>>>> feeling. >>>>>>> My opinion really doesn't mean much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a >>>>>>> matter >>>>> of >>>>>>> opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. >>>>>>> Paleontology is >>>>> not an >>>>>>> area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest >>>>>>> in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been >>>>>>>> better. "Genetically we're close to chimps, bonobos, >>>>>>>> gorillas and orangutans" - which, >>>>> in >>>>>>>> your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion >>>>>>>> as to >>>> who >>>>> the >>>>>>>> common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather >>>>>>>> feel as if >>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a >>>> conclusion, >>>>> or >>>>>>>> tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to >>>> establish >>>>> a >>>>>>>> common base so we can further our discourse. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Wednesday, >>>>>>>> November 25, 2015 10:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't understand your question. We don't have any >>>>>>>> "living >>>>> ancestors" >>>>>>>> in evolutionary terms. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're >>>>>>>> close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they >>>>>>>> aren't >>>> ancestors >>>>> or >>>>>>>> somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each >>>>>>>> species >>>> has >>>>>>>> evolved differently to where we are today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined >>>>>>>> here, >>>>> as if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in >>>>>>>> some >>>> way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could we get to the point please? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> frank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those >>>>>>>>> most like >>>>> us? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alan C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Wednesday, >>>>>>>>> November 25, 2015 4:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are >>>>>>>>> animals, >>>>> great >>>>>>>>> apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face >>>>>>>>> of the earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our >>>>>>>>> current form. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> frank >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary >>>>>>>>>> scale? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alan C >> >> >> -- >> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >> Religion - Answers we must never question. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions.
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