Methinks thou doth protest too much. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[email protected]> wrote: > Eat that bran muffin yourself, Darren. > > Olympus and Panasonic started the "mirrorless" camera world with a > quarter-sized sensor and sold it on compactness. Note that the professional > offerings from Panasonic and Olympus (GHx series from Panasonic, OM-D E-1 > from Olympus) and the pro grade lenses are not tiny despite the quarter-sized > sensor.. > > Fuji took the half-size format and built a good system around it. Note that > the X series higher-end cameras (those not sold on the "compact" marketing > theme) are not particularly tiny … They are reasonably compact given the > half-size sensor, but the quality lenses are still getting pretty big. Just > like Pentax lenses for APS-C format. > > Sony saw a market there and stuffed, no, shoehorned a FF sensor into too > small a body to be useful. I know: I worked with a Sony A7 for a year and a > half. The body is too small for the sensor, which causes all kinds of > problems with the mount, with lens design, with balance and handling. The > good lenses are pretty big because they have to be to cover the format > correctly, and when you use the Sony with any of the pro grade lenses, its > balance as a camera to use just plain sucks. But it sells on the "compact and > full frame" marketing bullshit. It's not a compact system compared to the > Olympus/Panasonic because it can't be: the majority of the bulk in the system > is in the lenses, not the body. > > Leica isn't interested in building "compact for compact" sake toys like that. > They're interested in building a professional quality system with a body of > sufficient size to manage the lenses needed to do the job best, and to handle > like you expect a high quality camera to handle. High quality lenses for FF > format tend to be large, and heavy if they are build of durable materials. > That bespeaks a body with sufficient size and weight to balance them in use > properly. > > On that basis, the SL body is simply a modern rendering of the Leica R series > reflex cameras but with an electronic viewfinder system. It's only marginally > larger than the Leica M series RF cameras, (often ballyhooed for compactness > but actually a fairly large and moderately heavy camera) and it works > beautifully with lenses of professional build and quality. It's not a > "mirrorless" camera in the sense that you seem to assume a mirrorless camera > *must be* … that is, something tiny and pocketable. > > That assumption is ridiculous. The advantages of using an EVF instead of a > reflex mirror viewfinder system have nothing at all to do with the marketing > oeuvre of building small and compact. > > G > >> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:37 AM, Darren Addy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Somebody needs a bran muffin. To recap: >> >> Godfrey said: "Many in the Leica community are up in arms about the SL >> being too big and too heavy" >> >> P.J. said: "the Leica SL is huge **for a mirrorless camera**, even a >> FF mirrorless like the Sony A7II. It's all relative really." >> >> P.J.'s statement is the opposite of ridiculous, it is a statement of >> fact and one that even (apparently) a lot of Leica people would agree >> with. >> >> I'm not saying that P.J. isn't capable of ridiculous comments - just >> that this isn't one of theme. >> :) >> > >> On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Jaume Lahuerta <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I don't think that it is ridiculous at all. >> On of the main selling point of mirrorless is to get the same image quality >> with less size/weight. That's why their users are (in general) more >> sensitive to these factors. >> >> Of course YMMV, and you probably value factors other than size/weigh, but I >> am with PJ in that mirrorless are supposed to be smaller/lighter, and Sony >> has marked a high standard with their A7 family. >> >> Regards, >> Jaume >> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Why? Because you believe that "mirrorless cameras can only be dinky little >>> things"?? >>> That's ridiculous, PJ. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions.
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