Jeff Condit
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Discussion List'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news?
Wow, left field there AJ.
It's akin to buying a car from a dealership and I might be a pushover and
you might be a shark. I would pay full retail because I didn't think to ask
for a discount and you might play the "I'm walking outta here unless you
give me 15% off right now!" The price would be different for each of us
correct???? The dealer might say "AJ, you got your price, but don't be
spreading it all over town..." It has nothing to do with discrimination, but
rather trying to close a deal.
Tony
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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:02 PM
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Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news?
No, no medication, nor any required. (Aside from Advil, which is a true godsend)
The point was that when you buy a single package, when I buy a single
package, when Joe Blow buys a single package, aside from cost changes
dictated by irresolvable issues like disparities in government taxation and
perhaps shipping, the price should be virtually identical, not dictated by
your or my (or Joe Blow's) personal relationship to Altium, whether
positive, as might be the case if one were a stooly for the company, or
negative, if one were a detractor of the more tasteless engagements of the
company's sales force and executive management. (Or whether one is a good or
bad schmoozer with salespeople for that matter)
It's one thing if you or I are purchasing in quantity, because then
discounting is rational. Personally, I doubt that's what the original author
was implying with his "Mum's the word" post...
Any other activity by said company can easily and correctly (IMO) be
compared with any other form of discrimination, especially those that are of
the "distasteful" variety.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob stephens Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:08 PM To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List' Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news?
ie, some folks get better pricing and superior service because they areof a certain skin color, religion, philosophical bent, national origin, etc. <<
Are you on some sort of medication? Who the hell said anything about race, religion or any of the rest of it? Chill out already.
Bob
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news?
I find the substantive content of your email to be quite offensive. Pricing for a publicly traded commodity like software should not be under almost any circumstances a "unique circumstance", ie, some folks get better pricing and superior service because they are of a certain skin color, religion, philosophical bent, national origin, etc. This attitude, so publicly displayed by certain individuals on this list over the years, along with their most certain support for price increases (not that they're subject to them, of course...) is exactly why I stopped bleeding myself for upgrades of questionable value from Protel's corporate holding company, aka, the milkmen. The more of us who avoid support of that kind of a system, the less likely it is to be successful in its actual purpose, which is not the creation of better software, but the fiscal support for bon-bon eaters and their spawn planetwide. <Rantmode off>
Aj - my opinion, mine, mine, mine.
hope there are-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TDK Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:00 AM To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List' Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news?
Don't forget you are expressing all this on a public forum.....
You are playing poker with your cards up on the table......
You need to express your concerns 1-on-1, not publicly like this....
Software EDA has become so competitive that everyone gets a unique price which they are asked NOT to reveal to anyone......
I experienced this with 2 EDA vendors directly......
TDK
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Velander Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:32 PM To: Protel EDA Discussion List Subject: Re: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news?
Mira, I forgot to have them book my seats when they called, Idetails aswindow seats, not over the wing still available. 8^>
I had wondered about the motivation and rigidity of theoutlined.well. To some degree I am sure you are right. I didn't put a lot of faith in it initially, not until they backed up their telephone comments in a written announcement email with written quotes attached (both pre and post this mysterious date) with all the detailsreps since it
Seems the email is being sent individually by the salesupgrade. I havedoesn't appear to be a mass mailing. That and the fact it had the quotes attached.
I have to say that there is a possibility that we willlooked at our future roadmap for a while now and don't reallysee otherwould walkplausible options for price verses performance. The recent about-face from Altium regarding support would be grain of sand that toppled the scale. Without that visible effort to support DXP PCB & SCH tools Iothers who mayin a moment regardless. I don't need to fight for support while fighting to learn and use the tool.
Whether or not we upgrade now, that is in the hands ofnice to havebe very much tougher to convince or to open the purse strings at this moment. You know the deal, it may be possible but the timing is poor and it was definitely not a budgeted item. Would have beenbeen able to include it in a budget, obviously Altium doesn'tconsiderDXP upgradesuch capital budget items when developing and implementing their policies. Or they would realize that their customers go through the same processes for large capital expenditures. Duh!
Sincerely, Brad Velander Senior PCB Designer Northern Airborne Technology 1925 Kirschner Rd., Kelowna, BC, V1Y 4N7. tel (250) 763-2329 ext. 225 fax (250) 762-3374
-----Original Message----- From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 16, 2005 2:25 PM To: Protel EDA Discussion List Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latestprice jumpsnews? - Email found in subject
Brad,
Altium is checking as how many of you would upgrade if theup. Did they offer a round trip to Australia for two together with the upgrade? Or maybe they forgot to tell you that the price was included...
Mira
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