Wow, left field there AJ. It's akin to buying a car from a dealership and I might be a pushover and you might be a shark. I would pay full retail because I didn't think to ask for a discount and you might play the "I'm walking outta here unless you give me 15% off right now!" The price would be different for each of us correct???? The dealer might say "AJ, you got your price, but don't be spreading it all over town..." It has nothing to do with discrimination, but rather trying to close a deal.
Tony -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news? No, no medication, nor any required. (Aside from Advil, which is a true godsend) The point was that when you buy a single package, when I buy a single package, when Joe Blow buys a single package, aside from cost changes dictated by irresolvable issues like disparities in government taxation and perhaps shipping, the price should be virtually identical, not dictated by your or my (or Joe Blow's) personal relationship to Altium, whether positive, as might be the case if one were a stooly for the company, or negative, if one were a detractor of the more tasteless engagements of the company's sales force and executive management. (Or whether one is a good or bad schmoozer with salespeople for that matter) It's one thing if you or I are purchasing in quantity, because then discounting is rational. Personally, I doubt that's what the original author was implying with his "Mum's the word" post... Any other activity by said company can easily and correctly (IMO) be compared with any other form of discrimination, especially those that are of the "distasteful" variety. >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob stephens >Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:08 PM >To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news? > >>> ie, some folks get better pricing and superior service because they >>> are >of a certain skin color, religion, philosophical bent, national origin, >etc. ><< > >Are you on some sort of medication? Who the hell said anything about >race, religion or any of the rest of it? Chill out already. > > >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:21 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news? > >I find the substantive content of your email to be quite offensive. >Pricing for a publicly traded commodity like software should not be >under almost any circumstances a "unique circumstance", ie, some folks >get better pricing and superior service because they are of a certain >skin color, religion, philosophical bent, national origin, etc. This >attitude, so publicly displayed by certain individuals on this list >over the years, along with their most certain support for price >increases (not that they're subject to them, of course...) is exactly >why I stopped bleeding myself for upgrades of questionable value from >Protel's corporate holding company, aka, the milkmen. The more of us >who avoid support of that kind of a system, the less likely it is to be >successful in its actual purpose, which is not the creation of better >software, but the fiscal support for bon-bon eaters and their spawn >planetwide. ><Rantmode off> > >Aj >- my opinion, mine, mine, mine. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TDK >>Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:00 AM >>To: 'Protel EDA Discussion List' >>Subject: RE: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news? >> >>Don't forget you are expressing all this on a public forum..... >> >>You are playing poker with your cards up on the table...... >> >>You need to express your concerns 1-on-1, not publicly like this.... >> >>Software EDA has become so competitive that everyone gets a unique >>price which they are asked NOT to reveal to anyone...... >> >>I experienced this with 2 EDA vendors directly...... >> >>TDK >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Velander >>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:32 PM >>To: Protel EDA Discussion List >>Subject: Re: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest DXP upgrade news? >> >>Mira, >> I forgot to have them book my seats when they called, I >hope there are >>window seats, not over the wing still available. 8^> >> >> I had wondered about the motivation and rigidity of the >details as >>well. To some degree I am sure you are right. I didn't put a lot of >>faith in it initially, not until they backed up their telephone >>comments in a written announcement email with written quotes attached >>(both pre and post this mysterious date) with all the details >outlined. >> >> Seems the email is being sent individually by the sales >reps since it >>doesn't appear to be a mass mailing. That and the fact it had the >>quotes attached. >> >> I have to say that there is a possibility that we will >upgrade. I have >>looked at our future roadmap for a while now and don't really >see other >>plausible options for price verses performance. The recent about-face >>from Altium regarding support would be grain of sand that toppled the >>scale. >>Without that visible effort to support DXP PCB & SCH tools I >would walk >>in a moment regardless. I don't need to fight for support while >>fighting to learn and use the tool. >> >> Whether or not we upgrade now, that is in the hands of >others who may >>be very much tougher to convince or to open the purse strings at this >>moment. You know the deal, it may be possible but the timing is poor >>and it was definitely not a budgeted item. Would have been >nice to have >>been able to include it in a budget, obviously Altium doesn't >consider >>such capital budget items when developing and implementing their >>policies. Or they would realize that their customers go through the >>same processes for large capital expenditures. Duh! >> >>Sincerely, >>Brad Velander >>Senior PCB Designer >>Northern Airborne Technology >>1925 Kirschner Rd., >>Kelowna, BC, V1Y 4N7. >>tel (250) 763-2329 ext. 225 >>fax (250) 762-3374 >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: May 16, 2005 2:25 PM >>To: Protel EDA Discussion List >>Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [PEDA] Have you all heard the latest >DXP upgrade >>news? - Email found in subject >> >> >>Brad, >> >>Altium is checking as how many of you would upgrade if the >price jumps >>up. >>Did they offer a round trip to Australia for two together with the >>upgrade? Or maybe they forgot to tell you that the price was >>included... >> >>Mira >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum >> >>To Post messages: >>mailto:[email protected] >> >>Unsubscribe and Other Options: >>http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com >> >>Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >>Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum >> >>To Post messages: >>mailto:[email protected] >> >>Unsubscribe and Other Options: >>http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com >> >>Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >>Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> > > >____________________________________________________________ >You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum > >To Post messages: >mailto:[email protected] > >Unsubscribe and Other Options: >http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com > >Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > >Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum > >To Post messages: >mailto:[email protected] > >Unsubscribe and Other Options: >http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com > >Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > >Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
