Mara, that’s a very good question you’ve raised. I’ll insert my responses below.

 

 

From: Mara Woods [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 14-Nov-14 3:45 PM



All,

In section 5.2, Stjernfelt brings up the “Adaptation to Rationality” hypothesis 
in conjunction with the issue of "logical constants" so problematic in 
Hurford's account. The logical constants problem is mostly a consequence of 
Hurford's limited view that reference to a dynamic object requires omniscience. 
 It is not necessary, I think, to go into much detail here, except to mention 
that Hurford conflates mistake making in animal cognition with the inability to 
perceive concrete individuals across space or time. The immediate object of the 
individual in one scene does not bind with the immediate object of the same 
individual in another scene to make a sign that refers to the dynamic object of 
the concrete individual. Stjernfelt solves this problem in Hurford's work by 
bringing in the concept of the "Universe of Discourse", a subset of all 
possible referents in the universe that are brought to bear on a particular 
proposition (or, presumably, set of propositions). He quotes Boole in a 
footnote on p. 131 of NP:

"In every discourse, whether of the mind conversing with its own thoughts, or 
of the individual in his intercourse with others, there is an assumed or 
expressed limit within which the subjects of its operation are confined. The 
most unfettered discourse is that in which the words we use are understood in 
the widest possible application, and for them the limits of discourse are 
co-extensive with those of the universe itself. But more usually we confine 
ourselves to a less spacious field. (...) Now, whatever may be the extent of 
the field within which all the objects of our discourse are found, that field 
may properly be termed the universe of discourse. Furthermore, this universe of 
discourse is in the strictest sense the ultimate subject of the discourse" 
(Boole, from The Laws of Thought, 1852).

GF: We should notice here that discourse is essentially communicative, or 
dialogic as Peirce would say, and is usually applied to communication carried 
out through a linguistic medium. This makes it problematic to apply the 
“universe of discourse” concept to phenomena closer to the other end of the 
semiotic spectrum, such as perception in animals.

What I am curious about in this section is how the Universe of Discourse 
concept overlaps with Umwelt theory. For one, it is clear from Stjernfelt's 
words that he sees the Universe of Discourse as a restriction on the referent 
objects of discourse. In Umwelt theory, though, it is not just that a species 
only attends to certain dynamic objects in the environment. All perception and 
interaction with the environment is already loaded with meaning. It seems that 
the limitation of an Umwelt is not just on what objects can be detected by a 
perceptual apparatus but rather what meaning the objects have or potentially 
could have for the animal. In Uexkull's work this is mediated by the functional 
tone of the object -- the "what can I do with this"-ness that the object 
radiates with from the point of view of the perceiver. Thus, if anything, a 
Universe of Discourse would be the subset of Immediate Objects, the signs of 
which are picked up because of the framing or priming effects of the 
interpretants rising from the animal's Innenwelt.

Yes indeed. The interpretant of a momentary perception feeds forward into the 
next moment of perception; what we see affects what we look for next.

I wonder the indexical relation that the immediate object has with the 
proposition (the perception-action cycle in question) could be said to point to 
an iconic relation in the Innenwelt between the physiological goals and the 
psychological drives of the animal. 

I think that could be said; and thus every act of perception (if I may call it 
that) modifies in turn the iconic relation between Innenwelt and Umwelt 
(regarding the former as a model of the latter). Such iconic signs have to be 
involved in an index in order to inform the animal, i.e. there has to be some 
actual connection between sign and object. I think the index within the syntax 
of the dicisign points to that connection, and makes it the immediate object 
(NP p. 68). This amounts to a self-referential loop within the loop of the 
action-perception cycle.

Regardless, a Universe of Discourse would not be limited only by the set of 
possible dynamic objects but also which interpretants are applicable to the 
discourse in the first place. This may be domain specific (e.g., the concept of 
"subject" in the various disciplines, or framing or priming effects of the 
previous thought) or level specific (e.g., explaining an inference chain to a 
first year university student or to an expert in the discipline) or application 
specific (e.g., having a casual conversation versus a problem solving 
discussion). Whether the immediate objects produced by these different 
Universes of Discourse may be intelligently brought together to form a referent 
to the same dynamic object is another issue. 

In any case, given that Umwelt theory does see the Umwelt as already populated 
with meaning, or at least counterpoints to meaning "inside" the organism, I am 
a little concerned that the ventral-dorsal split discussion in NP has the 
organism scanning the entire perceptual field for "things out there" for 
further processing without considering the internal affective or even 
functional need to go looking for somethings out there. Wouldn't we expect that 
the search image have some influence on which "that out there" is 
selected/prioritized for further detailed processing?

Indeed we would, and that’s why the ventral/dorsal should not be regarded as an 
absolute split, but rather as a differentiation of the perception part of the 
cycle — just as the subject/predicate split is not absolute in Peircean 
semiotic logic (NP §3.10).

Isn't that what makes objects in the Umwelt always have functional meaning, 
i.e., the lack of neutral objects in non-human species? In other words, 
wouldn't the Subjects of these natural propositions already be laden with some 
type of Predicate -- e.g., danger/GET AWAY FROM -- to enter the Innenwelt at 
all?

Yes — or if we regard the Innenwelt as the home base of predicates, and the 
Umwelt (or universe of discourse) as the domain of subjects, the dorsal stream 
would be providing feedback to the Innenwelt, which will then feed forward into 
perception in the next turn of the semiotic cycle, calling in more detailed 
information from the ventral stream. (Except that the division into separate 
‘cycles’ — like the division of semiosis into separate ‘signs’ — is somewhat 
artificial, an attempt to pin down these continuous processes so that we can 
diagram them. I’m Surely action and perception must be running in parallel in 
the brain, not taking turns.)

I hope we’re thinking along the same lines here, and perhaps clarifying the 
connection between dorsal/ventral and subject/predicate.

Mara Woods

gary f.

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