John: On Apr 27, 2015, at 10:09 AM, John Collier wrote:
> Jerry, your reply makes no sense. It makes no cogent criticism of what I > said. Read the book and then maybe we can talk about this, but so far you are > putting words together that have no relevance to my position. Frankly, In > resent this. > > John > 1. I read the book shortly after it appeared. 2. I attended a lecture by one of the principle authors (at the International Society for the Philosophy Chemistry meeting in Lueven) and discussed his views with him extensively. In addition, I have read dozens of your papers and posts to list-serves. Your responses ignore the arguments that I put forth. From my perspective, you are in deep denial. It is merely an attempt to challenge you to think about the philosophical fundamental of physics. Your resentment is perfectly understandable. So, I suggest we terminate this exchange and agree to disagree. You and I both have more positive and productive work to do. Cheers Jerry > From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: April 27, 2015 11:25 AM > To: Peirce-L > Cc: John Collier > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:8468] Re: Natural Propositions, > > John: you write: > > > I limit myself to dynamic structures. > > > then: > > . I use it in the physical, not the mathematical sense. > > Your "very simple answer" is precisely why I find your thinking to be > superficial. > Your usage is NOT in the PHYSICAL sense. > > Your ignore the deep and fundamental conundrum that exists in physical > thought and representation of nature and the concept of force. It is not a > unitary concept. Force is at least a triadic concept, and perhaps a fouth or > fifth order concepts. The multiple concepts of force are a consequence of > physical measurements. > > Your views of physical representation of force are more than two centuries > out of date. > > This conundrum is the profound dynamical difference origins in the difference > between Newton's Law and Coulomb's law. > > Your response is not good physics, not good science, not persuasive and > certainly not compelling. > > IMNSHO > > Cheers > > Jerry > > > On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:02 AM, John Collier wrote: > > > The answer is very simple, Jerry. We can interact only with dynamical > structures (at least obeying Newton’s third law), so they are the only things > that could conceivably make a difference to experience (pragmatic maxim). > Perhaps we mean something different by “dynamical”. I use it in the physical, > not the mathematical sense. > > John > > From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: April 27, 2015 10:58 AM > To: Peirce-L > Cc: John Collier > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:8468] Re: Natural Propositions, > > John: > > On Apr 27, 2015, at 8:24 AM, John Collier wrote: > > > > I limit myself to dynamic structures. > > Why? > > Such an assertion indicates to me that your thinking is superficial. > > As I have noted before, it is attempting to work a cross-word puzzle by using > only the "across" clues. Why does the puzzle writer give you the "down" > clues? > > Or, on a mathematical plane, attempting to solve partial differential > equations without defining the variables. > > Or, studying human physiology without a knowledge of anatomy. > > Or, studying evolutionary theory without DNA. > > > Cheers > > Jerry > > > > > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] > . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to > [email protected] the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the > message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] > . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] > with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at > http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
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