Frederik, lists, You write, "But pain involves secondness." No doubt. I had already written there is "certainly secondness involved" in my unexpected sudden eye pain example.
But, unless one wants to deny the reality of 1ns, as apparently John would, then one must admit that pain--and, as Peirce says, each unique instance of pain--has its own distinct character, it's unique quality (firstness). And are the three phenomenoloogical categories *ever* found apart from the others in reality? Peirce says no (although one may predominate). So to say that pain *involves *secondess doesn't deny firstness at all as I see it. Best, Gary [image: Gary Richmond] *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* *C 745* *718 482-5690* On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Gary, lists - > But pain involves secondness - it is not imagined pain - you refer to real > pain which implies there's something actually acting in your eye - so it is > not the pure quality, it is quality coupled with the insistence of > secondness. Your blinking eye works in order to get rid of the existing > particle, not only to address a quality of feeling. By the same token, pain > involves thirdness - the complex of pain and blinking reflex has a purpose, > that of cleaning your eye, and behind that is a biological habit acquired > over millenia of selection. So the felt pain is only prescinded from this > background ... that would be my version ... Qualities without secondness are > but possibilities ... > Best > F > > Den 26/04/2015 kl. 18.46 skrev Gary Richmond <[email protected]> > : > > John, > > I experience qualities *as such* and often before I've labeled them x, > y, or z. Walking along the street on a windy day a sharp dust particle hits > my eye. Although there is certainly some secondness involved, I experience > pain before I think 'pain'. Maybe other people do experience such things > differently. > > Best, > > Gary > > >
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