Dear Howard, lists - Den 28/04/2015 kl. 12.44 skrev Howard Pattee <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
At 05:18 AM 4/28/2015, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: [snip] - Dicisigns - applies to biosemiotics as well. To me, this forms part of a naturalization of semiotics. But, simultaneously, a naturalization which takes generalities such as empirical universals as well as mathematics/logic as parts of nature. I have argued that to be consistent with the physicists' view of natural laws, the first phenomenon occurred with the first self-replication (as did the first self, the first semiosis, and the first evolvable life, etc.). I think we're in agreement here. To me, semiotics and biology are co-extensive. Pansemioticians like Peirce think differently about natural laws and origins. I do not think Peirce is consistently a pan-semiotician (even if that tendency can most certainly be found in his work, so can counter-tendencies). We covered this ground before, did we not? I have three questions about your view: (1) What "parts of nature" do you include in "naturalization of semiotics"? I am not sure I understand the question. I do not think the results of mathematics are a human invention. I think mathematics is part of nature in the sense that it contains structures which are as they are without human agency - no matter whether they have physical realizations or not. They may be seen as hypothetical or modal in order to avoid naive Platonism. (2) Do you think of mathematics and logic as a part of (subset) of semiotics? No. I rather think semiotics is a subset of logic in Peirce's broad epistemological conception of logic. (3) When in the history of the universe do you say the first proposition occurs? By the first semiosis. Best Frederik
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