Hi!!
Agent, Patient, and Effect are a triadic affair, call it relation, call it what you want, but they are triadic. If there is no effect, there was no activity (no Agens). If there was nothing to be the subject, there was no patiens. If there was no effect, there were neither both of them. If there was one of them, there were all three. So, anything means that there are agent, patient, and effect. You do not need to be called "Peirce" to understand that. Best! Helmut
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Von: "Benjamin Udell" <[email protected]>
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Von: "Benjamin Udell" <[email protected]>
An: "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]>, "Peirce-L 1" <[email protected]>
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Jeff D., lists,
Where does Peirce discuss agent and patient as a dyadic relation? I'm willing to believe that he does so. I recall (perhaps inaccurately) that he called the sign's object the _agent_ and the sign itself the _patient_, but didn't call the interpretant the _act_.
- Best, Ben
On 5/6/2015 1:48 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote:
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