John, Why don't we put this on hold for later discussion? What you say goes to the heart of a problem I saw in Natural Propositions, whether it was Peirce's account or Stjernfelt's analysis I did not have time to decide as the schedule of the slow reading went too fast for me to take it up on the List. I marked the critical passages and my copy of Natural Propositions is around here someplace but I am trying to stay focused on the subject matter and the set of problems that I introduced under the above subject line.
There are many issues here about cross-disciplinary communication, the varieties of quasi-religious belief about the uses of words in the whole proposition/sentence/statement complex, the various uses Peirce and even sub-genius people use across contexts, disciplines, historical time, and even within the same discussion. But I think it's best to hold the forte on that for now. Regards, Jon On 6/28/2017 3:19 PM, John F Sowa wrote:> On 6/28/2017 1:44 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: >> >> The short shrift for now is that neither Peirce nor I is talking about >> propositions in the sense of dicisigns or dicent symbols at this juncture >> but rather the simpler sorts of propositions that fall under the heading of >> the Propositional Calculus in current usage, adequately and most felicitously >> dealt with of course by means of Peirce's own Alpha Graphs. > > There is no difference. A proposition (or dicisign or dicent symbol) > is a proposition, no matter how it is used. In propositional calculus > or Peirce's Alpha, the letter p can represent any proposition or dicisign > or dicent symbol of any kind. > >> The concept of information that comes up in this context is rather distinct. > > Yes. Information is propositional content that is being communicated > to someone in some way. As an employee of AT&T, Claude Shannon focused > on the transmission methods. But he did not reject the fact that the > people who use a telephone communicate propositional content. > > The terms 'comprehension' and 'extension' address the propositional content, > not the method of communication. > > John > -- inquiry into inquiry: https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/ academia: https://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey oeiswiki: https://www.oeis.org/wiki/User:Jon_Awbrey isw: http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/JLA facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/JonnyCache
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