Gary f.,

Seems to me you are mistaken. Categories and elements have a different meaning. It not just giving new names. I.e. not just about terminonology. They are not synonyms.

But if anyone uses Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness as just names for classes of signs, it may appear so. A most grave simplification.

If one is allowed to disagree in this discussion. Perhaps  not.

Kirsti

[email protected] kirjoitti 26.11.2017 02:47:
Kirsti, you asked why my post about 2.14 put “categories” in
quotation marks. It’s because that is the term Peirce used for Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness in the Cambridge Lectures of 1898.
In the Lowell Lectures (and the Syllabus) of 1903, he mostly used the
term “elements” instead, as we’ll see in Lecture 3, for
instance. I’m drawing attention to the shift in terminology because
I think it reflects to a conceptual shift that becomes increasingly
evident in Peirce’s phenomenology from this point on.

As for SPOT, DOT and BLOT, if you’ve been following Lowell 2 it
should be clear enough how they are related; anyway, I don’t think I
can add anything to my last two posts that will clarify their usage in
the terminology of EGs.

Gary f.

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Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Lowell Lecture 2.14

Gary f.,

I cannot understand your use of quotation marks. Why say: ... his
"categories"??? Insted of... his categories???

Also, instead or warning against confusing SPOT, DOT and BLOT, it
would have been most interesting to hear how they are related. This is
all about relational logic, is it not. In your opinion too?

Not about just classification.

Kirsti

[email protected] kirjoitti 25.11.2017 21:52:

List, Mary,



Lowell 2.14 introduces the SPOT (which must not be confused with

either the DOT or the BLOT!), and in this connection is worth

comparing with MS 439, the third of the Cambridge Lectures of 1898

(RLT 146-164, NEM4 331-46). In this lecture given five years before

Lowell 2, Peirce began with a sketch of his "categories" (Firstness,


Secondness and Thirdness), then applied them to formal logic (more

specifically to the "Logic of Relatives"), which he then explained
"by

means of Existential Graphs, which is the easiest method for the

unmathematical" (or so he claimed -- RLT 151). In this post I'll

include two paragraphs from that 1898 lecture. First, from RLT 154:



Any part of a graph which only needs to have lines of identity

attached to it to become a complete graph, signifying an assertion,
I

call a _verb_. The places at which lines of identity can be attached


to the verb I call its _blank subjects_. I distinguish verbs
according

to the numbers of their subject blanks, as _medads, monads, dyads,

triads_, etc. A _medad_, or impersonal verb, is a complete
assertion,

like "It rains," "you are a good girl." A _monad_, or neuter verb,

needs only one subject to make it a complete assertion, as



--obeys mamma

you obey--



A _dyad_, or simple active verb, needs just two subjects to complete


the assertion as



—OBEYS—

or —IS IDENTICAL WITH—



A _triad_ needs just three subjects as



--gives--to--

--obeys both--and--



The main difference between this and Lowell 2 is the terminology:
what

Peirce calls a "verb" here is called a "spot," "rheme" or
"predicate"

in the Lowell lectures. (Compare the usage of "rheme" in the
semiotic

trichotomy _rheme/dicisign/argument_ as given in the Syllabus,
EP2:292

or CP 2.250.) The "subject blank" or "line of identity" here

represents the individual "subject of force," as does the "heavy
dot"

in Lowell 2, where the sheet of assertion represents "the aggregate"

of those "subjects of the complexus of experience-forces

well-understood between the graphist, or he who scribes the graph,
and

the interpreter of it."



The other paragraph which I'll quote from the Cambridge lecture (RLT

155-6) relates the existential graph system both to semiotics and to


the Peircean "categories" -- and I think these relations also hold
in

the Lowell presentation of the graphs. Notice here that the _line of


identity_ is classed among "verbs" here, although the _ends_ of the

line (the "dots" of Lowell 2) represent "individual objects" which

would be the "subjects" of the "verbs" in the graph. As a verb,

though, all the line of identity can mean is "is identical with,"
its

subjects being those ends, which in Lowell 2 occupy the "hooks" of
the

"spots."



In the system of graphs may be remarked three kinds of signs of very


different natures. First, there are the verbs, of endless variety.

Among these is the line signifying identity. But, second, the ends
of

the line of identity (and every verb ought to [be] conceived as
having

such loose ends) are signs of a totally different kind. They are

demonstrative pronouns, indicating existing objects, not necessarily


material things, for they may be _events_, or even _qualities_, but

still objects, merely designated as _this_ or _that_. In the third

place the writing of verbs side by side, and the ovals enclosing

graphs not asserted but subjects of assertion, which last is

continually used in mathematics and makes one of the great

difficulties of mathematics, constitute a third, entirely different

kind of sign. Signs of the first kind represent objects in their

firstness, and give the significations of the terms. Signs of the

second kind represent objects as existing,-- and therefore as

reacting,-- and also in their reactions. They contribute the

_assertive_ character to the graph. Signs of the third kind
represent

objects as representative, that is in their Thirdness, and upon them


turn all the inferential processes. In point of fact, it was

considerations about the categories which taught me how to construct


the system of graphs.



One last comment: the usage of the word "individual" in logic can be


confusing, but Peirce's definition of the term in _Baldwin's

Dictionary_ -- http://gnusystems.ca/BaldwinPeirce.htm#Individual [1]
[1]

--is helpful for understanding Peirce's usage.



Gary f.



SENT: 23-Nov-17 16:38



Continuing from Lowell 2.13,




https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts/ms-455-456-19
[2]

03-lowell-lecture-ii/display/13620

[2]



You will ask me what use I propose to make of this sign that

_something exists_, a fact that graphist and interpreter took for

granted at the outset. I will show you that the sign will be useful
as

long as we agree that _although different points on the sheet may

denote the same individual, yet different individuals cannot be

denoted by the same point on the sheet_.



If we take any proposition, say



A SINNER KILLS A SAINT



and if we erase portions of it, so as to leave it a _blank form_ of

proposition, the _blanks_ being such that if every one of them is

filled with a proper name, a proposition will result, such as



______ kills a saint

A sinner kills ______

______ kills ______



where _Cain_ and _Abel_ might for example fill the blanks, then such
a

blank form, as well as the complete proposition, is called a _rheme_


(provided it be neither [by] logical necessity true of everything
nor

true of nothing, but this limitation may be disregarded). If it has

one blank it is called a _monad_ rheme, if two a _dyad_, if three a

_triad_, if none a _medad_ (from μηδέν).



Now such a _rheme_ being neither logically necessary nor logically

impossible, as a [part of ?] a graph without being represented as a

combination by any of the signs of the system, is called a _lexis_
and

each replica of the lexis is called a _spot_. (_Lexis_ is the Greek

for a single word and a lexis in this system corresponds to a single


verb in speech. The plural of _lexis_ is preferably _lexeis_ rather

than _lexises_.)



Such a spot has a particular point on its periphery appropriated to

each and every one of its blanks. Those points, which, you will

observe, are mere places, and are not marked, are called the _hooks_


of the spot. But if a _marked point_, which we have agreed shall

assert the existence of an individual, be put in that place which is
a

hook of a graph, it must assert that some thing is the corresponding


individual whose name might fill the blank of the rheme.



Thus



• GIVES • TO • IN EXCHANGE FOR •



will mean "something gives something to something in exchange for

something."



http://gnusystems.ca/Lowell2.htm [3] [3] }{ Peirce's Lowell Lectures
of

1903




https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts/ms-455-456-19
[2]

03-lowell-lecture-ii

[4]







Links:

------

[1] http://gnusystems.ca/BaldwinPeirce.htm#Individual [1]

[2]


https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts/ms-455-456-19
[2]

03-lowell-lecture-ii/display/13620

[3] http://gnusystems.ca/Lowell2.htm [3]

[4]


https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts/ms-455-456-19
[2]

03-lowell-lecture-ii



Links:
------
[1] http://gnusystems.ca/BaldwinPeirce.htm#Individual
[2] https://fromthepage.com/jeffdown1/c-s-peirce-manuscripts/ms-455-456-19
[3] http://gnusystems.ca/Lowell2.htm

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