Jon, the question of whether speculative grammar is properly normative may be 
irrelevant to your “bottom line”, but it is quite relevant to any practitioner 
of the science, because it determines whether his practice is prescriptive or 
descriptive.

On the “Seme” issue I agree with you, but I have a question about your 
statement that “Peirce himself used "Seme" in every taxonomy of Signs that he 
attempted after he introduced it in 1906.” He did use it in the taxonomy of the 
Dec. 1908 Welby letters, but what other taxonomies did he attempt after 1906?

Gary f.

 

From: Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> 
Sent: 11-Mar-19 10:36



Gary F., John, List:

I will refrain from further debate about Peirce's classification of the 
sciences, since I find it incontrovertible that in CP 1.191 he explicitly 
equated the Normative Science of Logic with Semeiotic, including all three of 
its branches--Speculative Grammar, Critic, and Methodeutic.  The absence of the 
word "Semeiotic" in that text is not a valid basis on which to deny this, since 
there can be no reasonable doubt that it is exactly what he meant by "the 
science of the general laws of signs"; and whether Speculative Grammar (or 
"formal Semeiotic") in itself is properly "normative" is irrelevant.  The 
bottom line for me is that I am still not aware of any text where Peirce 
situated any aspect of Semeiotic anywhere else in his classification, including 
Phenomenology.

JFS:  But if no context is stated, implied, or expected, the indexical is just 
as indefinite as an unattached peg of a predicate.

Then we agree after all; an unattached Peg of a Spot is indefinite, and so is 
the corresponding selective in modern predicate logic.  In the proposition 
"something is a car," "something" is indefinite; and if we translate it to 
"there exists an x, such that x is a car," "x" is indefinite.  A Line of 
Identity attached to the Peg, but not attached at its other end, is likewise 
indefinite.  In the proposition, "something is identical to something that is a 
car," both Instances of "something" are indefinite; and if we translate it to 
"there exists an x and there exists a y, such that x is identical to y and y is 
a car," both "x" and "y" are indefinite.

Note that as I pointed out before, there is a continuous predicate embedded 
within every Spot--the copula in these translations can have three different 
meanings, depending on the nature of the Dynamic Object.  That is why any 
"discrete" predicate can be analyzed further into a subject and a continuous 
predicate.  The proposition "something is white" means "something possesses the 
character of whiteness"; the proposition "Cicero is Tully" means "Cicero is 
identical to Tully"; and the proposition "something is a car" means "something 
belongs to the class of car."

JFS:  The only definition he ever stated for 'Seme' is a widening of the word 
'Term', which means 'predicate'.  Peirce did not approve of anyone tampering 
with his terminology.

Indeed, and what did he mean by "widening" a definition?  Increasing its 
logical breadth, such that the newly defined word refers to more Objects than 
its predecessor.  He needed a word encompassing not only "term," "predicate," 
and "quasi-predicate," but also "indexical," "selective," "subject," 
"quasi-subject," and any other Sign that is not a Proposition or an Argument.  
One more time--if Peirce considered "Rheme," "predicate," "quasi-predicate," 
and/or "term" to be appropriate for the concept that he had in mind, why did he 
blatantly violate his own ethics of terminology by introducing "Seme"?

JFS:  But if you claim that your interpretation is superior to H & W's 
footnotes *and* to the word 'quasi-predicate', which Peirce himself used, you 
have an obligation to present very solid evidence.  So far, it's an 
unsubstantiated conjecture, and the evidence against it is overwhelming.

I have never claimed "superiority," only disagreement.  Peirce himself used 
"Seme" in every taxonomy of Signs that he attempted after he introduced it in 
1906.  He never used "predicate" or "quasi-predicate" as a counterpart to 
"proposition" and "argument"; in fact, he never used "quasi-predicate" at all 
after its sole appearance in 1903.  So what exactly are you characterizing here 
as "unsubstantiated conjecture"?  What specific "evidence against it" are you 
claiming is "overwhelming"?

 

Regards,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA

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