Auke, List: JAS: As I have made clear in multiple previous posts, I do not consider the emotional/energetic/logical interpretants to be the same as the immediate/dynamical/final interpretants.
AvB: I never suggested that I do consider them the same and did not notice somebody else doing so in our exchanges. Edwina suggested that they are the same, or at least that the logical and final interpretants are the same. ET: I question whether every sign has, necessarily, a final interpretant. I refer to Peirce's comment that "not all signs have logical interpretants, but only intellectual concepts and the like" ... My point is that, as Peirce points out, not every sign has a final interpretant, conditional or not. Only intellectual concepts. Peirce does not point out that only intellectual concepts have *final *interpretants, he points out that only intellectual concepts (and the like; i.e., symbols) have *logical *interpretants. He even goes on to distinguish a logical interpretant from a *final *or *ultimate *logical interpretant, which is a habit (EP 2:418, 1907) or a habit-change (CP 5.476, 1907). AvB: But, is not the sense of comprehending the meaning of the sign a sign of reassurance? No, it seems to me that "the sense of comprehending the meaning of the sign" is (or includes) a *feeling* of reassurance, rather than being a *sign *of reassurance. In any case, Peirce clearly draws the same distinction that I am making. CSP: I have already noted that a Sign has an Object and an Interpretant, the latter being that which the Sign produces in the Quasi-mind that is the Interpreter by determining the latter to a feeling, to an exertion, or to a Sign, which determination is the Interpretant. (CP 4.536, 1906) Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 AM Auke van Breemen <[email protected]> wrote: > Jon Alen, > > Just to avoid misunderstanding. > > JAS: As I have made clear in multiple previous posts, I do not consider > the emotional/energetic/logical interpretants to be the same as the > immediate/dynamical/final interpretants. > > I never suggested that I do consider them the same and did not notice > somebody else doing so in our exchanges. Neither did I read any remark to > the extend that you do regard them the same. > > The most curious part of your response however is that according to you a > feeling is not a sign. While at the same time you quote Peirce > > JAS: "In all cases, it [the interpretant] includes feelings; for there > must, at least, be a sense of comprehending the meaning of the sign" (EP > 2:409, 1907). > > But, is not the sense of comprehending the meaning of the sign a sign of > reassurance? > > Best, > > Auke >
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