JAS, list 1] I would quibble with the concept that the ‘whole is ontologically prior to its parts’. ..which sets up a kind of a priori Platonic ideal form [ and Peirce was an Aristotelian] ..and saw Mind and Matter as bonded.
2] The claim that ‘God is outside space and that space is infinite - seems to me at least, to be illogical. If a force/whatever, has a location outside [or inside], then the spatial domain has perimeters and is not, by definition, infinite. 3] If the sign/representamen’s relation with the Dynamic Object is that the DO is external to the S/R, which requires a perimeter/boundary to the S/R….then, this boundary has to also exist for the Dynamic Intepretant, ..understanding the DI as ’the actual effect which the Sign, as a Sign, really determines 4.536. I think that an ‘effect, which suggests a reaction [2ns] requires a separation from the Sign/Representamen. Edwina > On Sep 9, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > > List: > > When Peirce asserts that the universe is one immense sign, "a vast > representamen," he goes on to describe it as also encompassing many > signs--"Now every symbol must have, organically attached to it, its Indices > of Reactions and its Icons of Qualities" (CP 5.119, EP 2:193-194, 1903). In > other words, every symbol involves indices and icons; and likewise, every > argument involves propositions and names. However, he makes it clear > elsewhere that a symbol cannot be built up from icons and indices, and an > argument cannot be built up from names and propositions--the whole is > ontologically prior to its parts, which are indefinite until deliberately > marked off, consistent with his late topical conception of a true continuum. > I invite anyone interested in the details to read my paper on that subject > (https://philpapers.org/archive/SCHPTC-2.pdf). > > The notion that the entire universe is a sign whose dynamical object is > external to it does not entail that the universe is finite; after all, Peirce > maintains both that God is outside time and that time is infinite, and I see > no reason why it could not likewise be the case both that God is outside > space and that space is infinite. To illustrate this, I have provided the > following diagram previously--his cosmology is hyperbolic, such that the > universe (3rd) is constantly proceeding from an initial state in the infinite > past (1st) toward a different final state in the infinite future (2nd). On > the projective plane, the circle represents time and the horizontal line at > infinity represents the Absolute, which is always at the same temporal (or > spatial) interval from any assignable date (or place)--both infinitely > distant (transcendent) and immediately present (eternal and omnipresent). > This is perhaps paradoxical, but not self-contradictory. >  > > Peirce repeatedly states that the dynamical object of any sign is external to > it, but as far as I know, he never says this about its dynamical > interpretant. In fact, according to him, the interpretant of any argument is > its conclusion, and the universe is still "working out its conclusions in > living realities" (CP 5.119, EP 2:193)--every actual event is a dynamical > interpretant of the entire universe prior to the moment when it occurs; > again, "The creation of the universe ... is going on today and never will be > done" (CP 1.615, EP 2:255, 1903). On the other hand, the final interpretant > of any sign is its ideal outcome, which need not ever actually be achieved. > That is why I suggest not only that God the Creator is the dynamical object > of the universe as a sign, but also that God completely revealed is its final > interpretant. > > CSP: The starting-point of the universe, God the Creator, is the Absolute > 1st; the terminus of the universe, God completely revealed, is the Absolute > 2nd; every state of the universe at a measurable point of time is the 3rd. > (CP 1.362, EP 1:251, 1887-8) > > As the subtitle of my "Semiosic Synechism" paper indicates, and as I > acknowledge at the end of its preface, what I have spelled out there (and > touched on here) is an ostensibly Peircean argumentation, not one that Peirce > himself ever explicitly presents. Each summary statement is (mostly) in my > own words as a proposed interpretation of his texts (and the world) for > consideration, along with the accompanying quotations and citations. Hence, > readers can decide for themselves whether my case is adequately supported by > those texts, as well as whether they find it plausible in accordance with > their understanding of the world. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt>_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. 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