Jon, List, Jon, thanks for this. I had thought that it was more or less settled scholarly opinion within the Peirce community. Your explicating it, as you have, ought to move more members of this forum at least in that direction, that is, if they aren't there already.
Best, Gary R On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 11:04 PM Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > List: > > Just as I expected, all these quotations confirm what I said before--the > sign *itself* is not a "triad" nor a "mediating relation," and Peirce > never refers to it using either of these terms. There is a sense in which > the sign can be described as "triadic," but it is certainly not a triadic > *relation*. I have bolded the key word(s) in each definition below so > that this is unmistakably clear. > > Instead, the sign "involves" a triadic relation, "stands in" such a > relation, "is in" such a relation, or "has" such a relation. The sign is *that > which* mediates between its object and interpretant--not the triadic > relation of mediating, but the first of its three correlates. It is also *that > which* is determined by its object and determines its interpretant--not > the dyadic relation of determining, but one of its two correlates; the > second (patient) with respect to its object, and the first (agent) with > respect to its interpretant. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 9:03 PM Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> “A sign or representamen *involves *a plural relation’ MS[R] 16:12 PM52 >> >> “ A representamen or sign is anything…which *stands at once in* a >> relation of correspondence…MS[R} 1147 >> >> “ A representamen or sign is anything... which *stands at once in* a >> relation of correspondence to a correlate, called its object and to another >> correlate, its interpretant… …MS[R} 1147 >> >> “A representamrn is an object, A, *in *such a triadic relation to an >> object, B, for an object, C…. MS[R]792.2 >> >> A sign is a species under the genus representamen, the definition of >> which says nothing about a mind. A representamen is an object, A, *in *such >> a triadic relation to an object B, of an object C MS R 800:3 >> >> A sign is anything, A, *in *a relation, r, to something B, its object, >> this relation, r, consisting in fitness to determine something so as to >> produce something C, the interpretant of the sign… MS[R] L107:25 >> >> “Every sign *is in *a triadic relation to an object and to >> an interpreting: MS[R] L107 >> >> A sign *mediates *between the interpretant sign and its object CP 8.332 >> >> A sign is something which *is in *a triadic relation to two things being >> a sign to an object for an interpreter. MS[R] 1334:51 >> >> “A sign is triadic because it *determines *an interpretant sign of the >> same object to which it refers itself MS[R} L67:28, >> >> “A sign is a species of *medium *of communication” MS[R]339:271r >> >> “ A sign is whatever there may be whose intent is to *mediate *between >> an utterer of it and an interpreter of it” MS[R]318:18-9 >> >> “Any sign, of whosoever kind, professes to *mediate *between an >> Object…and a Meaning” MS[R]318:13-4 >> >> “Any sign, of whatever kind, *mediates *between an object…[MS[R[318:11-12 >> >> “The essential nature of a sign is that it *mediates *between its >> Object..and its Meaning [MS[R]318-14-5 >> >> “A sign is anything of whatsoever mode of being, which *mediates *between >> an object and an interpretant” EP 2:410”I define a Sign as anything which >> on the one hand is do *determined *by an Object and on the other hand so >> *determines >> *an idea in a person’s mind, that this latter determination, which I >> term the interpretant of the sign, is thereby *mediately determined* by >> that Object. A sign, therefore, *has *a triadic relation to its Object >> and to its interpreting” CP 8.343 >> >> Edwina >> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > [email protected] with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. More at > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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