List: Just as I expected, all these quotations confirm what I said before--the sign *itself* is not a "triad" nor a "mediating relation," and Peirce never refers to it using either of these terms. There is a sense in which the sign can be described as "triadic," but it is certainly not a triadic *relation*. I have bolded the key word(s) in each definition below so that this is unmistakably clear.
Instead, the sign "involves" a triadic relation, "stands in" such a relation, "is in" such a relation, or "has" such a relation. The sign is *that which* mediates between its object and interpretant--not the triadic relation of mediating, but the first of its three correlates. It is also *that which* is determined by its object and determines its interpretant--not the dyadic relation of determining, but one of its two correlates; the second (patient) with respect to its object, and the first (agent) with respect to its interpretant. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 9:03 PM Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> wrote: > “A sign or representamen *involves *a plural relation’ MS[R] 16:12 PM52 > > “ A representamen or sign is anything…which *stands at once in* a > relation of correspondence…MS[R} 1147 > > “ A representamen or sign is anything... which *stands at once in* a > relation of correspondence to a correlate, called its object and to another > correlate, its interpretant… …MS[R} 1147 > > “A representamrn is an object, A, *in *such a triadic relation to an > object, B, for an object, C…. MS[R]792.2 > > A sign is a species under the genus representamen, the definition of which > says nothing about a mind. A representamen is an object, A, *in *such a > triadic relation to an object B, of an object C MS R 800:3 > > A sign is anything, A, *in *a relation, r, to something B, its object, > this relation, r, consisting in fitness to determine something so as to > produce something C, the interpretant of the sign… MS[R] L107:25 > > “Every sign *is in *a triadic relation to an object and to > an interpreting: MS[R] L107 > > A sign *mediates *between the interpretant sign and its object CP 8.332 > > A sign is something which *is in *a triadic relation to two things being > a sign to an object for an interpreter. MS[R] 1334:51 > > “A sign is triadic because it *determines *an interpretant sign of the > same object to which it refers itself MS[R} L67:28, > > “A sign is a species of *medium *of communication” MS[R]339:271r > > “ A sign is whatever there may be whose intent is to *mediate *between an > utterer of it and an interpreter of it” MS[R]318:18-9 > > “Any sign, of whosoever kind, professes to *mediate *between an > Object…and a Meaning” MS[R]318:13-4 > > “Any sign, of whatever kind, *mediates *between an object…[MS[R[318:11-12 > > “The essential nature of a sign is that it *mediates *between its > Object..and its Meaning [MS[R]318-14-5 > > “A sign is anything of whatsoever mode of being, which *mediates *between > an object and an interpretant” EP 2:410”I define a Sign as anything which > on the one hand is do *determined *by an Object and on the other hand so > *determines > *an idea in a person’s mind, that this latter determination, which I term > the interpretant of the sign, is thereby *mediately determined* by that > Object. A sign, therefore, *has *a triadic relation to its Object and to > its interpreting” CP 8.343 > > Edwina >
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