Helmut, Jon, List, JAS: [. . .] Theism [maintains] that the universe [. . .] is God's *creation *(from nothing). As such, it is *contingent *being and thus distinct from God's *necessary *being, as affirmed by Peirce; not an organically connected *part *of God that is somehow *within *God's being, as maintained by panentheism. GR: As I wrote in my response to Jon today, his seeming (to me at least) reduction of the roles of Christ and the Holy Spirit in the Cosmic Economy diminishes the Divine work of the Trinity taken as a whole, most especially, that of the Second and Third Persons of the Trinity. These, I have argued, are deeply involved in the creation and sustaining of the Cosmos.
I have also provided Biblical quotations in an earlier, long post, suggesting that this view can be seen as both Biblical and, I would maintain, scientific. Whatever Peirce's views were on this point are, it seems to me, expressions of his beliefs which, as far as I can tell, were in some considerable part influenced by the theology and religious practice of his era. *Ens Necessarium?* Yes! Strict adherence to the postulates of the Nicene Creed? One is free to believe whatever one will. Best, Gary R On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 2:41 PM Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > Helmut, List: > > I am not sure exactly what you are asking. Theism does not so much > maintain that the universe is God's *property *as that it is God's *creation > *(from nothing). As such, it is *contingent *being and thus distinct from > God's *necessary *being, as affirmed by Peirce; not an organically > connected *part *of God that is somehow *within *God's being, as > maintained by panentheism. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 10:52 AM Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Correction: Quite at the end of my post I corrected "immanence" with >> "non-immanence". >> Gary, Jon, List, >> >> I agree with both cosmic christic theology, and panentheism, so I hope, >> they are compatible. Jon, you showed, that Peirce did not agree, using the >> concept of immanence. Just an example: The things in my flat are my >> property, but not immanent in me, because I don´t pervade my flat, so I >> don´t for instance have record of lost little things under some furniture. >> God´s creation is His property, but He pervades it, as He sees and knows >> everything. So, some possibly existing naiive or anthropomorph concept >> about God having a limited body could not be maintained. Now I wonder, how >> and why may the concept of non-immanence be applied to God and His >> property? E.g. by Peirce? I don´t see it. >> >> Best regards, Helmut >> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > [email protected] with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. More at > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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