JAS< list Would you please show us where Peirce says that Mind can function without embodiment? My understanding of Peirce is that he was not a Platonist - and therefore there are no ‘pure or immaterial forms’; ie, no separate Mind; instead, matter and mind are correlates.
See 6.78; 6.158 [where matter is Mind hidebound with habits’’ ; and ’the universe of mind which coincides with the universe of matter’ 6.501. see also 4.551 where thought doesn’t function only via a brain .. That is, my understanding is that there is no ‘Pure or disembodied Mind’ . Mind requires embodiment. And most certainly, consciousness is not an attribute of Mind. [Note: Peirce talks about plants and biological organisms operating with the actions of ‘Mind’. - which actions can also be understood as the Mode of Thirdness. Edwina > On Sep 20, 2024, at 9:49 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Jeff, List: > > Again, it is highly misleading to characterize theism as conceiving God to be > "entirely separate from the evolving cosmos." > > As for your specific question, the classical theistic arguments for the > reality of God typically include, as one of their deductive conclusions, that > God must be immaterial. Peirce himself says that God as Ens necessarium is a > "disembodied spirit, or pure mind" (CP 6.490, 1908); and as I have emphasized > repeatedly, by his own testimony, when he refers to God as "mind" he is using > that term vaguely, figuratively, loosely, and analogously. Moreover ... > > CSP: Since God, in His essential character of Ens necessarium, is a > disembodied spirit, and since there is strong reason to hold that what we > call consciousness is either merely the general sensation of the brain or > some part of it, or at all events some visceral or bodily sensation, God > probably has no consciousness. (CP 6.489) > > So, Peirce seems to hold that embodiment is necessary for consciousness, but > not for mind; and he complains elsewhere (at some length) about psychologists > routinely confusing the two (CP 7.364-367, 1902). > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt> > On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 5:25 PM Jeffrey Brian Downard > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Colleagues, >> >> >> >> If I step back from the philosophical inquiries and think about questions >> concerning the nature of the divine in a more commonsense manner, the >> following question comes to mind. Normally, I think minds, thoughts and >> representations need—in some sense—to be embodied to have the power to >> govern, create, etc. >> >> >> >> Does the same apply to the conception of a Divine Mind that is infinite and >> perfect? I suspect those who are attracted to some form of pantheism or >> panentheism may think this is one consideration in favor of conceiving of >> the Mind of God as being embodied the universe, which is its body. >> >> >> >> Do theists who hold God is entirely separate from the evolving cosmos hold >> that the Mind of God is embodied in something else, or do they think such a >> perfect mind needs no embodiment? >> >> >> >> Yours, >> >> >> >> Jeff >> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at > https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at > https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the > links! > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] > . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] > with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in > the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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