Gary, List,
 
by wondering, why and how immanence and transcendence are contradictions, I just am having the tentative idea, that they are not. My idea is, that Peirce-categorially:
 
-- Immanence is 1ns
-- Inherence is 2ns
-- Transcendence is 3ns.
 
A just-so-idea. Another point I am wondering about, is, that "transcendent" and "transcendental" have quite different meanings. The transcendent (God, freedom, eternal life...) is a matter of belief, but the transcendental is the conditions for the possibility of knowledge, so a matter of knowledge. If knowledge isn´t something, you have to believe in, that is.
 
Best regards, Helmut
 
 
 22. September 2024 um 20:24 Uhr
Von: "Gary Richmond" <[email protected]>
 
List,
 
Jerry Chandler wrote: " I find it problematic to address any aspects of the concepts of the infinite without weighting the writings of A. N. Whitehead and Teilhard DeCardin."
 
I would tend to agree. Regarding the two areas I've recently been discussing here, namely, panentheism and the Cosmic Christ idea, Whitehead contributed to panentheism by offering a vision of a God as immanently involved in the evolving world, while Teilhard de Chardin contributed both to panentheism and the Cosmic Christ idea by envisioning Christ as the force driving the universe toward unity with the divine. Together, they do indeed offer valuable perspectives on the relationship between God, creation, and the ultimate destiny of the cosmos. So thanks, Jerry, for reminding me of their importance.
 
Specifically, Whitehead, in developing the metaphysical framework of " Process Philosophy," set the foundation for "Process Theology" which is one form of panentheism. In Whitehead's view, God is not a distant, immutable being but is deeply involved with the world, both immanent and transcendent. For Whitehead God is seen as having two "natures": the primordial nature, which is timeless and transcendent, and the consequent nature, which evolves with the world. In my Trinitarian thinking, God's primordial nature is the First Person of the Trinity (God the Father), while His consequent nature is symbolized by The Second and Third Persons (Christ and the Holy Spirit).

Teilhard de Chardin, a Jesuit priest and paleontologist, provided a unique Christian interpretation of evolution for which he was criticized by the Holy See. He resolved it to some extent by reaffirming both the Church's authority and his evolutionary ideas: 

The Catholic Church. . . must not simply seek to affirm its primacy and authority but quite simply to present the world with the Universal Christ, Christ in human-cosmic dimension, as the animator of evolution (In a letter to Auguste Valensin, Teilhard de Chardin, Pierre (1948). "My Fundamental Vision". XI: 191–192).
 
For Chardin, evolution is seen as a divine process moving towards an ultimate  fulfillment, symbolized by, exactly, the Cosmic Christ. He famously developed the idea of Christ as the Omega Point, the culmination of evolution. For him Christ is the unifying force that draws all creation toward union with God, which permeates all of created reality and connects all things. His vision of God’s immanence sees the divine at work within the processes of evolution, and his understanding that matter and spirit are not opposed but integrally connected has similarities both to Peirce theory and supporting a panentheistic worldview.  For him Christ is not just the final goal, but is present and active throughout creation, the divine continually incarnating and guiding creation toward its ultimate fulfillment. 


So, Whitehead and Teilhard de Chardin both see the universe as an ongoing, dynamic process that is intimately related to the divine, God both immanent and transcendent, a view of divinity that is involved in the ongoing life of the universe but not limited to it. And both shared a vision of the world as unfinished: Creation is constantly unfolding, and God (Christ for de Chardin) is intimately involved in that process, participating in the evolution of the universe without being identical to it. Teilhard's vision of Christ as the Omega Point and Whitehead’s idea of God integrating all that is and happens, suggest that all of creation is interconnected, this unity viewed as a reflection of the divine presence in an evolving cosmos.

It is true that Whitehead comes from a more abstract, metaphysical perspective, while Teilhard de Chardin operates within a Christian one (but also a scientifically informed one), so that Teilhard specifically integrates Christology into his view, while Whitehead’s vision is not tied to any religious figure. So one might say that de Chardin’s contribution is more directly related to the concept of the Cosmic Christ. 

In sum: Whitehead contributes to panentheism by offering a vision of a God who is immanently involved in the evolving world, while Teilhard contributes to both panentheism and the Cosmic Christ idea by envisioning Christ as the force driving the universe toward unity with the divine. One might say that they offer intriguing, somewhat different perspectives on the relationship between God, creation, and the ultimate destiny of the cosmos.

See: Teilhard de Chardin, Pierre. The Phenomenon of Man. Harper Perennial, 1955 and Whitehead, Alfred North. Process and Reality. Macmillan Publishing, 1929.

Any thoughts on this are, of course, very welcome.

Best,

Gary R

 
On Thu, Sep 19, 2024 at 9:35 PM Jerry LR Chandler <[email protected]> wrote:
List:
 
On Sep 18, 2024, at 6:50 PM, Gary Richmond <[email protected]> wrote:
 
I should preface these comments by noting that I consider panentheism to be at present an underdeveloped concept. So, for example, my understanding of it is none of the three versions which Jon outlined (including Soteriological panentheism) which he considers my 'version' to be. I would hope that there are some here who might be interested in further developing a 21st century version of panentheism,
 
Although my interest in Uni….  has waned in recent decades, I find it problematic to address any aspects of the concepts of the infinite without weighting the writings of A. N. Whitehead and Teilhard DeCardin.
 
Jon’s notion that the notions of “theism” and “panentheism” are mutually exclusive notions  is truly a remarkable contribution to theological basics.  
 
Cheers
Jerry 
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