Gary R., List: I am not trying to persuade anyone to accept my personal religious beliefs. I have simply presented some of them in response to what others have said--most notably, your own long post on Sunday ( https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2024-09/msg00080.html). In this case, Helmut is the one who first brought up the Bible, and again, the only reason why I said anything about it was to correct what I considered to be a misunderstanding on his part.
Any List member is always welcome to offer arguments and evidence against any position that I espouse here, and some of them never seem to miss an opportunity to express (repeatedly) their longstanding disagreements with me about certain topics. I have been saying for years that I often benefit from the resulting exchanges because they force me to sharpen my own thinking, and sometimes (believe it or not) I have been convinced to change my opinion. Beyond that, I do not know what else you expect me to say. I stand by my Peirce scholarship, and I always try to be conscientious about distinguishing *his *views as expressed in *his *texts from my own. I meant what I already said about this last week ( https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2024-09/msg00052.html)--your perception is accurate that my explications of Peirce's cosmology are largely motivated by its resonances with my own classical theism, and I need to keep this in mind when reading, contemplating, and discussing his writings just as much as my disagreements with him about Biblical theology, special revelation, creeds, etc. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 5:37 PM Gary Richmond <[email protected]> wrote: > Jon, > > "I was simply responding to Helmut's statement that he did not understand > my previous post, which (among other things) sought to correct his > misinterpretation of Matthew 25:40." > > Be that as it may, it would be helpful if you would respond to some of the > other substantive points in my post. For example, how Peirce sought to have > his theories disproved while you seem to want only to support yours. How > and why one philosophizes seems at issue here, and clarification on this > seems to be increasingly important in the present discussion. > > Best, > > Gary R > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 6:28 PM Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Gary R., List: >> >> I was simply responding to Helmut's statement that he did not understand >> my previous post, which (among other things) sought to correct his >> misinterpretation of Matthew 25:40. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon >> >> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 5:16 PM Gary Richmond <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Jon, >>> >>> JAS: Nobody is 100% good *except *Jesus Christ, who is both God and >>> human. That is why his death alone satisfies the debt that we all owe to >>> God for our own sins. >>> >>> I thought that you were *not* going to express your personal religious >>> views here. We panentheists, and Sufis, First Nations Peoples, Kabbalists, >>> Zennists, Taoists, etc., etc., etc. do not see it your way. The above is >>> your belief, and has nothing to do with even Peirce's religious -- and >>> definitely not his metaphysical -- views. >>> >>> Panentheists -- of whatever stripe -- see all men and women as their >>> brothers and sisters; they see all of us as children of God (or Mind, or >>> however one cares to characterize it). But you see only those who believe >>> what you believe as being 'saved' and all the other trappings of a >>> dogmatic, doctrinaire, credal Christianity. >>> >>> That your philosophical work seems to me to be directed to always >>> supporting your religious viewpoint appears more and more to me to be, >>> frankly, unscientific -- and in the extreme. Peirce on several occasions >>> asked that others try to *disprove* his theories. You seem to be >>> suggesting that researchers on Peirce-L should attempt to accept your >>> theories apropos of God and religion because, what?, that Peirce also was a >>> theist? >>> >>> So let's please attempt in the future to separate these matters >>> of personal belief and religious metaphysics. Although I regret having to >>> bring it up again, you have said that you cannot consider me your Christian >>> brother because I don't adhere to what you see as the fundamental tenets of >>> Christianity as expressed in, for example, the Nicene Creed and as you >>> expressed it in the quotation at the top of this message. >>> >>> No doubt there are some Christians here who accept the tenets of the >>> Nicene Creed. >>> >>> We believe in one God, >>> the Father, the Almighty, >>> maker of heaven and earth, >>> of all that is seen and unseen. >>> >>> >>> We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, >>> the only Son of God, >>> eternally begotten of the Father, >>> God from God, Light from Light, >>> true God from true God, >>> begotten, not made, >>> consubstantial to the father. >>> Through him all things were made. >>> For us and for our salvation >>> he came down from heaven: >>> by the power of the Holy Spirit >>> he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, >>> and was made man. >>> For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; >>> he suffered death and was buried. >>> On the third day he rose again >>> in accordance with the Scriptures; >>> he ascended into heaven >>> and is seated at the right hand of the Father. >>> He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, >>> and his kingdom will have no end. >>> >>> >>> >>> We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, >>> who proceeds from the Father and the Son. >>> With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. >>> He has spoken through the Prophets. >>> We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. >>> We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. >>> We look for the resurrection of the dead, >>> and the life of the world to come. Amen. >>> >>> But many of us, even some of us who yet tenuously hold to *Cosmic* >>> Christianity, do not. I think it is best that we all try harder here to >>> have more metaphysical and less theological discussion (admittedly, I have >>> got to do better in heeding my own advice). >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Gary R >>> >>
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