On Jun 20, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Jeffrey Fisher wrote:

interesting. thanks for this run-down, as i'm still trying to figure out how i feel and what i'm going to do re: obama. maybe doug (who ought to have his own blog, anyway -- have we talked about this here or on lob-talk before?) could be persuaded to make his remarks available on the lbo site or post them here? my appypollylodgies if i missed them on lbo-talk.

I'll post them to lbo-talk and the LBO website in a few hours. First I have to get my radio show ready for KPFA.

i have felt for some time that nader himself failed to do the work necessary to keep that movement afloat after 2000 (iirc, this was also doug's position at least for a time), but i am open to schooling on the subject.

Still is. I said in my closing comments at the Brecht (which were improvised, no text) that presidential politics isn't the place for the left, such as it is, to get deeply involved. The pressures of being chief executive of the world bourgeoisie are just too intense, and even if by some miracle, someone half decent could get elected to the office, he or she would be under tremendous pressure to obey. We, such as we are, should concentrate our efforts on winning local offices and developing issue-based campaigns around things like single-payer and living wage, and use that to build a party/movement. Nader's failure to build the Greens after 1996 was a serious failure. He's just been a lone individual doing vanity-based star turns ever four years ever since.

Doug
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