Sabri Oncu wrote:
> 
> Carrol:
> 
> > Only a political challenge, a revolutionary workers' movement, can 
> > represent any threat
> > to capitalism as such.
> 
> The above statement is a "belief," too. Capitalism may go down for
> many reasons. Whether it is going down or not now is another issue. We
> just don't know when and why capitalism will go down. All we know is
> that sooner or later it will, one day.
> 

Jim's response is mine. I would only add that when socialist writers
speak of the crisis of capitalism, etc they are not speaking of the end
of the world or the return to to  grubbing for roots & small animals
from day to day. They are spaking of the coming of socialsim. And that
is a serious illusion. If you don't hit it, it won't fall -- or if it
does fall it will only be part of the general ruin of us all.

Often the (sometimes explicit) assumption is even more specific: it is
assumed that economic collapse will somehow magically create a socialist
movement. Not true. Absent an organized and militant left of some sort,
economic collapse sends everyone scurrying for individual salvation.

Carrol

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