Sabri Oncu wrote: > > Carrol: > > > I would only add that when socialist writers speak of the crisis of > > capitalism, > > etc they are not speaking of the end of the world or the return to to > > grubbing > > for roots & small animals from day to day. They are spaking of the coming of > > socialsim. > > That is rubbish, too, if this is what they are doing. Nobody knows > what will replace capitalism. But I bet $1 that sooner or later it > will come to an end. >
Does your "that" refer to the socialist writers or to my description of the socialist writrs. I agree that you can' know the future, but there is a high probability of Rosa Luxemberg's either/or: Either socialism OR barbarianism. My main point is that to many left writers as they contemplate future disasters (not just economic but peak oil, global warming, other ecological disasters) seem to think that such predictions (or the conditions predicted) somehow contribute to the coming of socialism. I would argue that _nothing_ contributes to the coming of socialism except as it is linked to a healthy and growing socialist movement. Otherwise all these disasters (either when they come or even in the contemplation of their coming) merely contribute to the worsenting of individualist responses (and thus, in the event of any of these disasters materializing, to Jim's Hobbesian war of all against all). Carrol _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
