On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 10:15 +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote: > On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:28 -0500, c b wrote: > > CB: On climate change, actually, the new technology of the internet > > can give you things that in the past would require going to a > > university library and perhaps climatology classes. With your > > critical thinking skills applied you can get for yourself a > > preliminary solid answer to your question as to whether climate change > > is occurring. There is a history on this of a number of skeptics > > raising questions, which I'm sure are readily avaiblable from a search > > engine search. > > If you're looking for an interesting case: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_McIntyre > http://www.climateaudit.org/ > > By looking at government processed temperature data this guy found > some anomaly, asked for source code and raw data but was denied his > request. In the end the government scientist acknowleged there was a bug > and thanked him. > > *But* raw unprocessed data on temperature collected using taxpayer > funding, processing software and many other aspects of climate science > still remains totally secret even after this affair. > > Now of course there is one category of people who tend to want to keep > data secret: politicians. When I see so called "scientists" hide > raw data from the public eye I see politicians not scientists. > > Now it's very likely to me that pumping carbon in the atmosphere at > the scale and speed mankind has been doing will have major > consequences. > > But in the internet age not making raw data public is a major > shortcoming transforming in practice science/knowledge into > religion/belief and making any informed and constructive debate > impossible. > > See also my previous post on public data.
A leak of emails announced yesterday put this lack of transparency in the spotlight again: http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2009/11/21/74255/570 << News of the moment is how email correspondence and some data from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia has been hacked from a webmail server and is now circulating across the internet. The news was posted here and already includes some of the emails (in a censored format) from the hack. There is presently a torrent download available, here. [...] >> A nice quote: << "We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it." (Jones' reply to Warwick Hughes, 21. Februar 2005; confirmed by P. Jones) >> Laurent _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
