Lakshmi Rhone wrote:
> Even Dudley Dillard did not forget that the beneficial effects of public 
> investment financed by loan expenditures may be neutralized by a fall in the 
> marginal efficiency of capital.

>1. The neutralizing effect may result from an increase in the cost of 
>producing capital goods as private and public investment are dependent on the 
>same type of factors of production. <

This is not a big problem when unemployment is high and other "factors
of production" are underutilized. However, the complementaries of
government and private investment are present: for example, if the
government builds an airport, all else constant that encourages the
airlines to buy planes.

> 2. The possibility of the success of the Keynesian program can damage the 
> expectations of private enterprise, fearful that a newly legitimate 
> government would likely intrude into fields previously restricted to private 
> enterprise. <

We have to be careful about references to what Krugman calls the
"confidence fairy." Especially in the aftermath of a big recession,
businesspeople claim that _anything_ that doesn't serve their direct
individual interests will hurt their confidence and deter new
investment. (Gosh, we'd have confidence if the President gave each of
us a free pony.)

But the fiscal stimulus has a strong positive effect on biz confidence
because it increases the demand for their products, providing them
with faster cash flow and more complete use of capacity. If the fiscal
stimulus comes in the form of Eisenhower-type (pro-biz) infrastructure
and the like, that has a positive effect by speeding up the wheels of
commerce. Obama's original StimPak plan was very much along these
lines.

> ... The business class is however more likely to rally behind 
> neo-mercantalism and protectionism than it is demand more autonomous 
> government expenditures which are likely to cause a fall in the marginal 
> efficiency of capital, subjectively understood. <

I'd say that only that part of the business class that isn't
internationally mobile and/or dependent on international supply claims
will rally behind "neo-mercantilism and protectionism" in foreign
trade. How big is that segment? It's not very large these days, I'd
say.

> Keynesians forget that they do not have a mechanical science. What the effect 
> of planned public investment will be on the confidence of businessmen is 
> enigmatic, but it seems clear that they fear the success of an 
> interventionist state, led by a Robin Hood reincarnated as a black 
> reparationist more than they want a few extra bucks in their pockets as a 
> result of autonomous government expenditures...<

My impression is that the capitalist class is currently feeling very
powerful (as they have for the last 30 years or so, with the possible
exception of 2008). That means that they can indulge the short-term
particularistic interests of individual businesses and ignore
collective (class) interests. (They ignore the fact that
business-style Keynesianism of the Eisenhower/Obama sort actually
helps them).

In addition, it's often unclear what their class interests are. High
unemployment suits their class interests if it weakens the last
remnants of labor unions, but it hurt them if it causes
underconsumption, a debt deflation depression, and/or mass resistance.
Though people can speculate about what capitalist class interests are
-- and that's what most "think tanks" are about -- we don't know what
they really are until after the fact.

I don't think any of the current crop of Keynesians see their art as
some sort of mechanical science. It's not at all like the
Solow/Samuelson vision of the early 1960s.

> One possibility to consider here is that it's not possible for the government 
> to manage effective demand to overcome a protracted crisis and that the 
> economy left to itself will also suffer protracted depression, not the sharp 
> V recovery as economic libertarians such as Hayek and Schumpeter claimed.  <

I'd say instead that it's likely that the government is more able to
deal with protracted stagnation than with the normal business cycle.
The problem is that they won't do it, as I discussed earlier.

> Why no V shaped recovery? Debt deflation spirals (Devine, Krugman [and Irving 
> Fisher]), imperfect competition (Preobrazshensky), the very business 
> consolidations undertaken to reduce capital/output ratios and thereby restore 
> profitability  compound the unemployment problem in the short to medium term 
> and thus the problem of effective demand as well (my leading candidate)?<

there's a better explanation: (1) Hayek and Schumpeter had very
unrealistic theories; and (2) as a result of a long economic boom, we
see a combination of excessive private-sector debt, unused industrial
capacity, unsold inventories of housing, and pessimistic long-term
expectations, which it term forms a barrier to any
private-sector-driven recovery.
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