On 2013-01-05, at 7:30 PM, Michael Nuwer wrote:

> On 1/5/2013 3:46 PM, Carrol Cox wrote:
>> Obama is now  and has always been a principled and determined advocate of
>> the Austerity Age. Why can't liberals believe that he is what he claims to
>> be.
> 
> "As Governor of New York [Franklin Delano] Roosevelt had been a 
> conservative Democrat and a good pal of Wall Street. By 1935 he 
> understood — it had been made clear to him that if he wanted to be 
> re-elected — he had to begin to meet the needs of the people, instead of 
> the wishes of Wall Street. He was re-elected three times. When he died 
> in 1944, he had become a moderate lefty.
> 
> "... If a conservative Democrat (as FDR was when first elected) could 
> become an increasingly strong liberal in his second, third, and fourth 
> terms in the White House, it is entirely possible that Obama could. That 
> means we must become politically involved seriously. We have a lot to 
> do, both to help Obama to change his ways and to get people like 
> ourselves to work for him."
> 
> http://www.dougdowd.org/articlesAndCommentary/pdf/ThreeCheersForTheOccupiersAndTheirSupporters_NowWhat.pdf

1. Different times. There was pressure then from an expanding trade union 
movement, a large part of which unfavourably contrasted the unemployment rate 
in the US - significantly higher then than it is today - with full employment 
in the USSR, which still had the capacity to inspire workers worldwide. There 
is no such organized mass pressure today, nor is there the example of an 
increasingly prestigious anticapitalist state to further prod the liberal 
bourgeoisie into undertaking structural reform. 

2. FDR's liberal credentials are much overstated, though, unlike Obama, he was 
prepared to publicly pillory the "malefactors of great wealth" - again, an 
expression of a deeper economic and political crisis - as well as to experiment 
with untested and controversial schemes to pull the US out of its deep social 
and economic crisis. But his conservative side was reflected in his appointment 
of Hans Morgenthau to the key post of Treasury Secretary - very much in line 
with Obama's appointment of, and deference to, Tim Geithner a couple of 
generations later. 

"Morgenthau believed in balanced budgets, stable currency, reduction of the 
national debt, and the need for more private investment. The Wagner Act 
regarding labor unions met Morgenthau's requirement because it strengthened the 
party's political base and involved no new spending. Morgenthau accepted 
Roosevelt's double budget as legitimate — that is, a balanced regular budget, 
and an "emergency" budget for agencies, like the Works Progress Administration 
(WPA), Public Works Administration (PWA) and Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), 
that would be temporary until full recovery was at hand. He fought against the 
veterans’ bonus until Congress finally overrode Roosevelt's veto and gave out 
$2.2 billion in 1936. In the 1937 "Depression within the Depression", 
Morgenthau was unable to persuade Roosevelt to desist from continued deficit 
spending. Roosevelt continued to push for more spending, and Morgenthau 
promoted a balanced budget. In 1937, however, Morgenthau successfully convinced 
Roosevelt to finally focus on balancing the budget through major spending cuts 
and tax increases; Keynesian economists have argued that this new attempt by 
Roosevelt to balance the budget created theRecession of 1937.[9] On November 
10, 1937, Morgenthau gave a speech to the Academy of Political Science at New 
York's Hotel Astor, in which he noted that the Depression had required deficit 
spending, but that the government needed to cut spending to revive the economy. 
In his speech, he said:[10]

"We want to see private business expand. … We believe that one of the most 
important ways of achieving these ends at this time is to continue progress 
toward a balance of the federal budget."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr.#New_Deal

There is more ideological continuity between New Deal Democrats and the current 
party than one might think; the difference in the two administrations lies is 
the depth of the economic crisis and the relative strength the contending 
social forces. In this context, Dowd's statement that "we have a lot to do, 
both to help Obama to change his ways and to get people like ourselves to work 
for him", while well-intentioned, is profoundly illusory. Just like Weisbrot's 
fanciful proposal that Obama be pressured to pick Krugman to succeed Geithner. 

On 2013-01-06, at 8:25 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:

> Liberals fight over what Democrats are doing because it's the only game in 
> town. How many Greens are there is Congress? Zero. Maoists? Zero. 
> Trotskyists? Zero. Anarchists? Zero. Democrats are on the playing field; 
> that's why people care what they say and do. The "anti-Democratic Left" is 
> not on the playing field, so no-one cares what they say and do.

Political influence index, scale 0-10:

Greens: 0

Maoists: 0

Trotskyists: 0

Anarchists: 0

Liberal Democrats: 1




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