Robert Naiman wrote:

> Liberals fight over what Democrats are doing because it's the only game in
> town. How many Greens are there is Congress? Zero. Maoists? Zero.
> Trotskyists? Zero. Anarchists? Zero.
>

This reminds me of Robert Solow's (alleged) quip about neoclassical
economics: "the wheel may be crooked, but it's the only game in town." But
still, lefty economists perservere in not doing neoclassical economics
nonetheless.

Also, isn't gambling a bad thing, especially if one doesn't have enough
cash to cover one's bets? That is, if you don't have the power, how can one
play with the "big boys"? As serious students of politics know,
inside-the-inside-the-beltway politics involves "horse trading." You get
some Congresscritter to vote for your bill by promising to vote for her or
his bill -- or by promising campaign contributions. What do you give the
Congresscriter to buy a vote for PK to be Treasury Secretary? (If you play
the game, then promising a Congresscritter your vote doesn't work, since
you'll be giving him or her that vote anyway, as a result of "lesser of two
evils" logic." That logov means that it's not credible to threaten not to
vote for her or him.)

How much "political capital" do they backers of PK have, for example?

It looks to me as if a lot of the stuff you push, Bob, is a inside game:
isolated and deviant Congresscritters vote for each others' bills even
though they're doomed or are totally symbolic from the start. The political
controllers -- i.e., people like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and John Boehner
-- make sure that none of the fringe bills ever pass except as symbolic
gestures. The isolated & deviant types don't have enough political capital
to counteract the power of the controllers.

Most importantly, is inside-the-inside-the-beltway politics "the only game
in town"? doesn't the Occupy movement count for anything?? If anything,
it's movements like that could give the isolated & deviant ones some
political capital. I for one noticed that while Occupy was making a splash
-- despite the mainstream politicians' and media's efforts to contain the
problem -- US politics had as small shift to the left. (Then as the issue
became "reelect Obama" and liberals lined up to support their guy, it
shifted back.)

By the way, isn't Bernie Sanders in Congress? he may act like a Democrat,
but at least he calls himself a "socialist" and even a "green." He should
be given some credit.

I, for one, am glad that there are no Maoists or Anarchists in Congress.
Trotskyists probably couldn't get into Congress without immediately getting
into a faction fight with each other, even if there were only one of them.

> Democrats are on the playing field; that's why people care what they say
and do. The "anti-Democratic Left" is not on the playing field, so no-one
cares what they say and do.<

Yes, people care about who's powerful, what they say, and what they do.
Just as a servant cares what the master or mistress says and does. Just as
the prisoner cares what the guard says and does. Does that mean that we on
the left should kow-tow to those with power? or should we at least try to
resist?

The "anti-Democratic Left"? What an insult! Do you mean the
"anti-Democratic Party Left"? It's a mistake to equate "democracy" with the
Democratic Party: the DP isn't in favor of democracy unless it serves the
interests of the Party or its individuals. Look how they and the GOP have
brought forth all sorts of anti-democratic rules that protect their
political duopoly against competition from "third" parties. And the lead
member of the DP (some fellow named Obama) is all in favor of killing US
citizens without hearings or trials. Is that democratic?

In the olden days, people used to distinguish between "small-d democrats"
and "large-D Democrats," if nothing but for clarity's sake. (Luckily for
them, the large-R Republicans are also small-r republicans since they
aren't in favor of having a king (or at least not more than the Democratic
Party is).)

-- 
Jim Devine /  "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own way
and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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