Yes, I found its main thesis (Carbon Democracy) pretty persuasive.
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:30 PM, michael perelman < [email protected]> wrote: > Yes. Thank you. Did you like it? > > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Are you thinking of Carbon Democracy by Timothy Mitchell? >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, michael perelman < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Regarding the question between coal and labor, I heard an intereview >>> some time ago about the role of coal and social democracy; miners (mostl in >>> Europe) organizaed giving a base for pressuring for labor. The shift to >>> oil meant that fewer workers were needed and they did not physically work >>> as closely as miners. >>> >>> That might be related to what Paul said. Perhaps he or someone else >>> here recalls the book. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Gar Lipow <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Cockshott's point on a related thread remains valid. Coal replace hydro >>>> mainly as a means of strikebreaking. booksandjournals.brillonline.com >>>> \content\journals\10.1163\1569206x-12341279 >>>> >>>> And yes electricity can replace much oil transport - Specifically when >>>> it comes to ground transport. Trains are a mature technology though replace >>>> most car traffic of them would require a reversal of sprawl in many >>>> nations. Given replacement of fossil fuels with renewable electricity, >>>> many unsurvivable practices could be replaced by survivialbe ones. Water >>>> efficiency and desalinzation, capture and composting of organic waste to >>>> close to repair the food->waste->fertilizer loop that was broken with the >>>> dawn of industrialization. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Perelman, Michael < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Corn Laws raised the price of grain relative to people. Suddenly >>>>> the railroad gained an advantage over horse drawn transportation, leading >>>>> to improvements in steam engines ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Michael Perelman >>>>> >>>>> Economics Department >>>>> >>>>> California State University >>>>> >>>>> michael dot perelman at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Chico, CA 95929 >>>>> >>>>> 530-898-5321 >>>>> >>>>> fax 530-898-5901 >>>>> >>>>> www.michaelperelman.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> pen-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Facebook: Gar Lipow Twitter: GarLipow >>>> Solving the Climate Crisis web page: SolvingTheClimateCrisis.com >>>> Grist Blog: http://grist.org/author/gar-lipow/ >>>> Online technical reference: http://www.nohairshirts.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pen-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Perelman >>> Economics Department >>> California State University >>> Chico, CA >>> 95929 >>> >>> 530 898 5321 >>> fax 530 898 5901 >>> http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pen-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Tom Walker (Sandwichman) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> >> > > > -- > Michael Perelman > Economics Department > California State University > Chico, CA > 95929 > > 530 898 5321 > fax 530 898 5901 > http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > -- Cheers, Tom Walker (Sandwichman)
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