On Nov 27, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Joseph Green <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I´ve nowhere said >> - and, to my knowledge, neither has she - that >> oeour practical task is to campaign in favor of corn >> ethanol, or unplanned growth of biofuel ingeneral, >> or fracking, or the carbon tax, or cap and trade, >> or Michael Bloomberg, etc. > > You wrote of the "fundamentally sound program" of the bourgeois > environmentalists, and of the supposed lack of any but an abstract > alternative. Then you are offended when I refer to their program concretely. > And you seemed to have forgotten what you wrote about Bloomberg just a few > messages back. This is tiresome. For the record, this was my only mention of Bloomberg: "Not all capitalists outside the coal, gas and oil industries are wedded to fossil fuels and unconcerned about their disruptive and potentially catastrophic effects. Bloomberg is a prominent spokesperson of this growing wing of the bourgeoisie.” I didn’t say these bourgeois environmentalists had a “fundamentally sound program”. I was alluding to the programs of mass organizations which enjoy popular support. Here the problem is rarely the program in itself, but the commitment of the leadership to the program and how far they’re prepared to go in pursuit of it. This is what I wrote in reference to your empty rhetoric: "This sounds like the kind of abstract left boilerplate I’ve been accustomed to hearing when leftists who want to “separate decisively” from the liberal/social democratic leadership of a trade union, environmental, civil rights, or other mass-based organization are unable to identify a clear and coherent demand or set of demands to counterpose to fundamentally sound programs. The real points of division are typically the specific content which is put into the demands as well as the determination of the strategy to realize the program.” But I agree we’ve come to an impasse, and that we need to move on. _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
