> mostly in reply to David,
I'm flattered. :-)
> yes, i've forgotten to mention that there's lot of arrogance among the
> enlighted perl folks. another good reason to rather seek a simple than a
> correct way out of a perl problem.
Pretty much as I tried to point out. But the Perl wizards see the
arguments in an entirely different light. Both sides are at fault
here, unfortunately, and neither is willing to give very much.
I've seen these spats on comp.lang.perl.misc often enough. You
may see it as arrogance, but it really isn't. Just as they may
see a newbie's questions as self-serving and lazy, while they really
aren't. Still, once the emotional baggage has been added on, it
never comes off.
It is at the point that some Perl wizards in comp.lang.perl.misc
are deliberately rude just to get rid of newbies who haven't "done
their homework". Sort of like having Professor Kingsfield answer
your question. I see no way of making it better when too many
people deliberately flaunt the newsgroup rules just to tick off the
people on the other side, thereby making life miserable for people
who just want to learn, and people who just want to help.
> pitty though one would be so much happier if the community - as praised in
> larry wall's book - would be using more of their time in mailing lists, on
> irc chats and so on to help out people or tell them where to find real help
> then reassuring them selfs, that they're so much above the average.
They really don't. Honest. But when a Tom Christiansen or a Uri
Guttman [he co-wrote the search engine for Northern Light] answers
a question, the poster may get some serious information overload..
and the guru may correct so many small errors that the poster feels
s?he is being picked on. And the response may be so nasty that the
guru then is less friendly when answering the *next* question.
It has happened to me. Someone asked for help with his code.
I answered, trying to be helpful. The person had some serious
mistakes in his 20 or 30 lines of code. I pointed them out,
saying that everyone makes mistakes at first, and even going to
the trouble of writing two or three lines of code to replace what
was much longer and non-functional. For my trouble I got a
F$%K OFF AND DIE YOU A$$HOLE!!!! reply from the poster. That of
course made me really willing to go to the same trouble for the
next poster I answered. Someone like Tom Christiansen, after getting
that sort of attitude day in and day out for 11 years of answering
questions, no longer feels like being Mister Hospitality.
> sorry for the sharp tone, but this sounds very much alike the stuff i've
> read over and over again whilst being confronted with perl problems,
> looking for solutions on irc and elsewhere.
Not a problem [for me, anyway]. But when asking for assistance
in comp.lang.perl.misc or on the perl irc channel, try to put yourself
in the guru's shoes first. What would you like to see in a querent's
post?
David
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